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Old 06-08-2005, 09:59 PM   #16
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15 is D isn't it
and 17?? whats that one
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Old 06-08-2005, 10:09 PM   #17
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Correct: 11, 12, 13, 14, 16, 18, 19,

YOU SCORED 75%!!!!

15 is half right. the best answer is C. The Pharisees were corrupt, but they held the office of the magisterium, "Moses seat". Jesus was saying they had to be obeyed. Infallibility has nothing to do with imeccability. Furthermore, the term "Moses' seat" is a Tradition upheld by Jesus, and not found anywhere in the OT.

17. Where did bible scholars get their information? The answer is ultimately B, oral tradition. That is a historical fact, and has nothing to do with opinions.

20. How do we know, from the Bible alone, that the letters of St. Paul, who wrote to first century congregations and individuals, are meant to be read by us 2000 years later as Scripture?
answer>> A) we don't, the bible doesn't tell us that

Jesus commissioned the Apostles to preach, not read the Gospel to all nations…

Quote: Mind you I had to take this test as if it were being administered by a Catholic so I had to change my form of referance because the answers are debatalbe between prodistants and catholics regaurdless *jumps through hoop* I have proven myself.


Its not about Catholic or Protestant, its about truth.
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Old 06-08-2005, 10:11 PM   #18
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Quote: (Originally Posted by no_fixd_address)
Its not about Catholic or Protestant, its about truth.


no thats opinion there not truth nor fact
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Old 06-08-2005, 10:21 PM   #19
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Quote: (Originally Posted by Anarkist) no thats opinion there not truth nor fact

Actually, most of the questions were entirely fact. Maybe not all, but definitely the majority.
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It is about what the Christian church perceives to be true hence it is opinion.
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Old 06-09-2005, 01:20 AM   #21
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That is a half truth.

The Christian church as you understand it to be is based on the opinions of deformist philosophy. Truth is absolute, and has nothing to do with opinions.
I tried to explain some things of the nature of truth, but you just shit all over the thread, avoiding the substance of the post like a scared rabbit. I took it out. Let me know if you want me to re-post it.

And since it was the Catholic Church that instituted universities all over Europe for over 1000 years before the ProtRevolt, your "Mr. Neil" is an ignoramous.
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Old 06-09-2005, 01:34 AM   #22
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Semester III

21. Most of the books of the New Testament were written to address very specific problems in the early Church, and none of them are a systematic presentation of Christian faith and theology. On what biblical basis do you think that everything that the apostles taught is captured in the New Testament writings?
A)..there is no biblical basis.
B)..the Holy Spirit will remind ministers and bible scholars all
things, since we no longer need bishops.
C..Everything the Apostles taught is found in the transfer of authority. Christ is the foundation, and in Eph 2:20, the Apostles and their successors are not excluded in this foundation
D)..A and C


22) If the books of the New Testament are "self-authenticating" through the ministry of the Holy Spirit to each individual then why was there confusion in the early Church over which books were inspired, with some books being rejected by the majority?
A) there was no confusion, the Holy Spirit told each individual believer what was true scripture
B) self-authentication of scripture is found in each book of the
New Testament, so the bible did not need the Church to canonize it.
C) The majority could not read, so the question is irrelevant
D) There is no logical or scriptural basis for self-authentication of scripture


23) If the meaning of the Bible is so clear, so easily interpreted, and if the Holy Spirit leads every Christian to interpret it rightly, then why are there thousands of Protestant denominations, and millions of individual Protestants, all interpreting the Bible differently?
A) the one historic, consistent, and authoritative interpretation protected by the Holy Spirit is rejected
B) every doctrine must be "measured against" the individuals interpretation of Scripture, making it a variable, relativistic rule.
C) the testimony of the Apostolic community which was promised the assistance of the Holy Spirit in coming "to all truth" has been cut off and rejected
D) all of the above


24) Who may authoritatively arbitrate between Christians who claim to be led by the Holy Spirit into mutually contradictory interpretations of the Bible?
A) no one, just the bible
B) There is no authoritive arbritrator in this situation
C) The Bible Answer Man on the radio
D) Christians led by the Holy Spirit have the correct interpretation when they agree on the important things, and don't need anybody else's' authority


25) Since each “bible-only” Christian must admit that his or her interpretation is fallible, how can they in good conscience call anything heresy or bind another Christian to a particular belief?
A) they can't
B) the Holy Spirit tells each individual Protestant what
doctrines measure up against the bible
C) infallible doctrines that measure up to any individual(s)
interpretation of scripture gives you a good feeling.
D) B and C


26) Some Protestants usually claim that they all agree "on the important things." Who is able to decide authoritatively what is important in the Christian faith and what is not?
A) no one, they have no centralized authority
B) Pat Robertson
C) Bible college professors
D) The Bible Answer Man on the radio
E) Christians led by the Holy Spirit all agree on the important things, and don't need anybody else's' authority


27) How did the early Church evangelize and overthrow the Roman Empire, survive and prosper almost 350 years, without knowing for sure which books belong in the canon of Scripture?
A) the question is false, the bible fell from the sky in 33 AD in the KJV.
B) the Catholics collaborated with the Romans to kill the true believers and burn the scriptures
C) the Catholics wrote false scriptures and forgeries to confuse the true believers
D) Paul was a tent-maker which proves they had tent revivals
E) Jesus founded a living, teaching Church, not a book club
F) B and C


28) Who in the Church had the authority to determine which books belonged in the New Testament canon and to make this decision binding on all Christians?
A) the Holy Spirit who guided the bishops in the early Church councils
B) each individual believer was literate, and knew which were the right books from the wrong books


29) If 28 is B, then can I remove or add books to the canon on my own authority?
A) yes
B) no


references:http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ45.HTM (based on all Protestant sources)
list of books rejected from the NT canon http://www.scborromeo.org/truth/fig4.htm
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Old 06-09-2005, 09:08 PM   #23
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I wanna see some one else actually take this test and we'll see if they can pass it cuz I believe I have proven that I am just as familiar with the material as any chrisitan should be but lets see how familiar you are with this material
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Old 06-09-2005, 10:05 PM   #24
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Ya!!! Me too!!! Somebody else show the same courage as Anarkist.



Where have all the sola scriturists gone?
Long time pa-assing
Where have all the sola scriturists gone?
Long time ago...
Where have all the sola scriturists gone?
Gone to private judgement everyone...
When will they ever learn? When will they eeever learn.

Where have all the private judgementists gone?
Long time pa-assing...
Where have all the private judgementists gone?
Long time ago...
Where have all the private judgementists gone?
Gone to Rationalism every one...
When will they ever learn? When will they eeever learn....

Where have all the Rationalists gone?
Long time pa-assing....
Where have all the Rationalists gone?
Long time ago...
Where have all the Rationalists gone?
Gone to Relativism everyone...
When will they ever learn? When will they eeever learn.

Where have all the Relativists gone?
Long time pa-assing...
Where have all the Relativists gone?
Not so long ago...
Where have all the Relativists gone?
Off to Contraception, everyone...
When will they ever learn...
When will they eeever learn.

Where have all the unborn gone,
Not so long time pa-ass-ing...
Where have all the unborn gone,
just yesterday....
Where have all the unborn gone,
Unborn graveyards everyone...
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn...

Where have some of the sola scripturists gone?
Long time pa-a-ssing,
Where have some of the sola scripturists gone,
Long time ago...
Where have some of the sola scripturists gone
Bashing Catholics everyone
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn.

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Semester Iv

Don't panic. Answers will be given at the end of the thread. 85% or higher and you get a Ph.D. from the NoFixd University of Common Sense

These will be a bit more challenging:

30) Why do Protestant scholars recognize the early Church councils at Hippo and Carthage as the first instances in which the New Testament canon was officially ratified, but ignore the fact that those same councils ratified the Old Testament canon used by the Catholic Church today but abandoned by Protestants at the Reformation?
A) they have no solid grounds for ignoring the facts of the councils ratifying the Old Testament.
B) Marin Luther was inspired to remove 7 books, and add the word “alone” in Romans 3:28
C) the reformers had more authority than the Church councils who proved the inspiration of all scriptures the Catholic Church uses today.
D) The early Church councils were in error, but not in error about the New Testament books



31) Why do Protestants follow post-apostolic Jewish decisions on the boundaries of the Old Testament canon (who rejected Christ and the message of the New Testament), rather than the decision of the Church founded by Jesus Christ?
A) the Deuterocanonical books were added to the bible in the Council of Trent
B) the Deuterocanonical books were confirmed as canonical, in reference to previous councils, in the Council of Trent, which affirmed what had always been there.
C) The books Baruch, Tobit, Maccabees, Judith, Sirach, Wisdom were all included in the Septuagint that Jesus and the apostles used.
D) Martin Luther removed them because they didn't suit his doctrines
E) All but A


32) How were the bishops at Hippo and Carthage able to determine the correct canon of Scripture, in spite of the fact that they believed all the distinctively Catholic doctrines such as the apostolic succession of bishops, the sacrifice of the Mass, Christ's Real Presence in the Eucharist, baptismal regeneration, etc?
A) the Whore of Babylon compiled the bible as a means of deception
B) writings of the Early Church Fathers of the 1st and 2nd and 3rd centuries, many which still exist, confirm these doctrines as originally from the Apostles
C) an inspired book can come from a false church
E) B and C


33) If Christianity is a "book religion," how did it flourish during the first 1500 years of Church history when the vast majority of people were illiterate?
A) was taught orally
B) tv and internet
C) was read publicly in every Mass
D) statues and paintings were used as teaching tools, like the
pictures in a children's bible
E) all but B


34) How could the Apostle Thomas establish the church in India that survives to this day (and is now in communion with the Catholic Church) without leaving them with one word of New Testament Scripture?
A) I doubt that he did
B) The Church, represented by Thomas, existed before any New Testament scripture.
C) You can have a meal without the recipe book, if someone knows the recipes.(analogy)
D) B and C


35) If the Bible is as clear as Martin Luther claimed, why was he the first one to interpret it the way he did?
A) he thought the Catholic Church had discredited itself with corruption, thus had no authority.
B) he thought all the previous saints, scholars, theologians, bishops and Councils for 1500 years were in error, except for him
C) Martin Luther's interpretations were infallible, proven by unanimous agreement among the reformers and succeeding reformers
D) God told him to add the word "alone" to Romans 3:28
E) A and B


PROVIDE SHORT ANSWERS TO THE FOLLOWING:
36) The time interval between the Resurrection and the establishment of the New Testament canon in A.D. 382 is roughly the same as the interval between the arrival of the Mayflower in America and the present day.

Therefore, since the early Christians had no defined New Testament for almost four hundred years, how did they practice sola Scriptura?

37) Some say the Bible is the only foundation and basis of Christian truth. Why does the Bible itself say that the Church is the foundation and basis of Christian truth (1 Tim. 3:15)?

38) Jesus said that the unity of Christians would be objective evidence to the world that He had been sent by God (John 17:20-23). How can the world see an invisible "unity" that exists only in the hearts of believers?

39) If the unity of Christians was meant to convince the world that Jesus was sent by God, what does the ever-increasing fragmentation of Protestantism say to the world?


40) Hebrews 13:17 says, "Obey your leaders and submit to their authority. They keep watch over you as men who must give an account. Obey them so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no advantage to you."
What is the expiration date of this verse?

bonus question:

How do non-denominationalist or fundamentalist churches, which have their own distinct theology, and often boast that they are “separated,” obey God’s command that Christians “all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment” (1 Cor. 1:10)?

end of test.

see www.catholic.com
www.catholicoutlook.com
www.phatmass.com
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Old 06-16-2005, 01:40 AM   #26
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Ease up on the Protestants, no-fixd. Your being unnecessarily harsh, contrary to the popes apostolic letter on Religious freedom.

Not ALL Protestants are sola scripturists, and MOST of the sola scripturists are good holy Chrisitians, trying their best to obey all the Commandments according to their conscience and understanding. Have you read 817-819 of the catechism?
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21. Most of the books of the New Testament were written to address very specific problems in the early Church, and none of them are a systematic presentation of Christian faith and theology. On what biblical basis do you think that everything that the apostles taught is captured in the New Testament writings?
A)..there is no biblical basis.
B)..the Holy Spirit will remind ministers and bible scholars all
things, since we no longer need bishops.
C..Everything the Apostles taught is found in the transfer of authority. Christ is the foundation, and in Eph 2:20, the Apostles and their successors are not excluded in this foundation
D)..A and C


22) If the books of the New Testament are "self-authenticating" through the ministry of the Holy Spirit to each individual then why was there confusion in the early Church over which books were inspired, with some books being rejected by the majority?
A) there was no confusion, the Holy Spirit told each individual believer what was true scripture
B) self-authentication of scripture is found in each book of the
New Testament, so the bible did not need the Church to canonize it.
C) The majority could not read, so the question is irrelevant
D) There is no logical or scriptural basis for self-authentication of scripture


23) If the meaning of the Bible is so clear, so easily interpreted, and if the Holy Spirit leads every Christian to interpret it rightly, then why are there thousands of Protestant denominations, and millions of individual Protestants, all interpreting the Bible differently?
A) the one historic, consistent, and authoritative interpretation protected by the Holy Spirit is rejected
B) every doctrine must be "measured against" the individuals interpretation of Scripture, making it a variable, relativistic rule.
C) the testimony of the Apostolic community which was promised the assistance of the Holy Spirit in coming "to all truth" has been cut off and rejected
D) all of the above


24) Who may authoritatively arbitrate between Christians who claim to be led by the Holy Spirit into mutually contradictory interpretations of the Bible?
A) no one, just the bible
B) There is no authoritive arbritrator in this situation
C) The Bible Answer Man on the radio
D) Christians led by the Holy Spirit have the correct interpretation when they agree on the important things, and don't need anybody else's' authority


25) Since each “bible-only” Christian must admit that his or her interpretation is fallible, how can they in good conscience call anything heresy or bind another Christian to a particular belief?
A) they can't
B) the Holy Spirit tells each individual Protestant what
doctrines measure up against the bible
C) infallible doctrines that measure up to any individual(s)
interpretation of scripture gives you a good feeling.
D) B and C


26) Some Protestants usually claim that they all agree "on the important things." Who is able to decide authoritatively what is important in the Christian faith and what is not?
A) no one, they have no centralized authority
B) Pat Robertson
C) Bible college professors
D) The Bible Answer Man on the radio
E) Christians led by the Holy Spirit all agree on the important things, and don't need anybody else's' authority


27) How did the early Church evangelize and overthrow the Roman Empire, survive and prosper almost 350 years, without knowing for sure which books belong in the canon of Scripture?
A) the question is false, the bible fell from the sky in 33 AD in the KJV.
B) the Catholics collaborated with the Romans to kill the true believers and burn the scriptures
C) the Catholics wrote false scriptures and forgeries to confuse the true believers
D) Paul was a tent-maker which proves they had tent revivals
E) Jesus founded a living, teaching Church, not a book club
F) B and C


28) Who in the Church had the authority to determine which books belonged in the New Testament canon and to make this decision binding on all Christians?
A) the Holy Spirit who guided the bishops in the early Church councilsB) each individual believer was literate, and knew which were the right books from the wrong books

29) If 28 is B, then can I remove or add books to the canon on my own authority?
A) yes
B) no


references:http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ45.HTM (based on all Protestant sources)
list of books rejected from the NT canon http://www.scborromeo.org/truth/fig4.htm
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