Stapp involved in another fight! - Page 2

uncertaindrumer · 12-01-2005, 09:11 AM

Quote: Being a Christian means recognizing your sins and asking for forgiveness from the higher power. No one can be "Christ-Like."

Asking forgiveness from sins can have nothing to do with Christianity. How can the definition of your "Christianity" not even have Christ in it? I'm sure plenty of non-Christians do that. So defend Stapp how you want but he is not acting very Christian.

Frankly every time I try to give the guy a chance he acts like a terd again. Did everyone read that article in which he compares himself to Sting? One must believe that he is the most ridiculous, deceit-filled, arrogant man on the planet after reading that article. He took drugs because he was "taking one for the team", he "wrote ALL the music for Creed" he was "TOO GIVING in nature and that's why Creed had its problems". I mean, who does he think we are? Morons?

Oh wait. Yeah, the general public is...

tremonti4life04 · 12-01-2005, 09:18 AM

Finch got beat up for a good reason, the lead singer pushed Dave Draimine's wife while she was holding their child. That is a good reason. Getting drunk and being an asshole isnt. I know what you mean tho, it doesnt effect the music, but at the same time, i hate people who live double standards. Being a musician, being famous doesnt give you the right to be a beligerant asshole.

Ana4Stapp · 12-01-2005, 09:22 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by uncertaindrumer)
Frankly every time I try to give the guy a chance he acts like a terd again. Did everyone read that article in which he compares himself to Sting? One must believe that he is the most ridiculous, deceit-filled, arrogant man on the planet after reading that article. He took drugs because he was "taking one for the team", he "wrote ALL the music for Creed" he was "TOO GIVING in nature and that's why Creed had its problems". I mean, who does he think we are? Morons?

Oh wait. Yeah, the general public is...

Oh God...Im so disappointed with Stapp that Im 'almost' agreeing with uncertain...lol

uncertaindrumer · 12-01-2005, 10:17 AM

^That's not so rare! lol, love the new avatar by the way.

titan9 · 12-01-2005, 10:31 AM

*shakes head* Well, now that the 311 guys are telling the story themselves, it definitely has more credibility. If everything they say is true, wow, it's just so disappointing. Stapp's got this new album out and he's trying to establish himself as a solo artist. This is certainly the last thing he needs. If it is true, he needs to get himself some help. It appears that he can't drink a lot and still act somewhat civilized. I honestly think, just based on these stories, that he has a problem with alcohol. If he wants to redeem himself in the eyes of the fans, he needs to own up for it. I don't care if a lot of rockstars do it; that doesn't make it justifiable...especially when he paints himself as this good guy who has changed. When he is still showing up to certain places drunk, I think that shows that he probably hasn't changed as much as he claims.

Anyway, I'm still a fan of his music. That won't change unless I start hating his music.

IamFilthy · 12-01-2005, 11:32 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chase) Being a Christian means recognizing your sins and asking for forgiveness from the higher power. No one can be "Christ-Like." Anyway... that's irrelevent. I honestly don't give a crap about who Stapp beats up, last time I checked... that had nothing to do with making music. I hate drug use... but that doesn't mean that I'll boycott every musician from Scott Weiland to Jimi Hendrix. Recently in rock, we've seen Disturbed beat up Finch... and Godsmack crew members beat up Story of the Year. Who ever said being a rock star is a gentleman's game? Look at Liam Gallagher of Oasis. That man is CONSTANTLY instigating feuds. That doesn't change the fact that his band created some of the best songs of the 1990s. I mean... why do people act surprised that Stapp has a temper? He's written songs like "Fight Song," "Bullets," and "What If." Bottom line... NONE OF US were there and there is no public evidence that this happened. For all we know... 311 has a dislike for Stapp and saw these rumors as a good way to slander Stapp. What Stapp does in his personal life has nothing to do with me. I listen to his music and enjoy his lyrics. Rarely, will you find a SAINT in rock music. Kurt Cobain would instigate fights constantly... that did not affect Nirvana's popularity at all.

I dunno... I still remember when Godsmack said that Stapp was being a dick to some handicapped guy in a wheelchair. It's all words to me when someone can't provide a thread of evidence to back it up. I think you're jumping to conclusions too fast Steve... Stapp is an artist who is intensely hated and also adored. He's an easy target. To me, this is like Michael Moore saying that the President is a liar. If the source can't really provide evidence... then is the defendent guilty? Or is he/she innocent until PROVEN guilty?

If this is true... then I wish the band that was there was Good Charlotte.

I couldn't have said it any better myself! If it is true,..I'm glad he punched 311. They need it! As far as I'm concerned, THAT'S A ROCKSTAR!

Bridge of Clay · 12-01-2005, 12:10 PM

Quote: If everything they say is true, wow, it's just so disappointing.

That's what we've been tryin' to tell ya!

Btw... read the article I posted on page one.

titan9 · 12-01-2005, 12:37 PM

I read it, dude. I'm taking that one with a grain of salt as that is from a gossip column. As you probably know, some gossip columns flat out lie. So I'll wait until the 6th, watch the show myself and see if he looks smashed.

Rocketqueen · 12-01-2005, 12:50 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by IamFilthy) I couldn't have said it any better myself! If it is true,..I'm glad he punched 311. They need it! As far as I'm concerned, THAT'S A ROCKSTAR!

HELL YEA

Bridge of Clay · 12-01-2005, 01:28 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by titan9) I read it, dude. I'm taking that one with a grain of salt as that is from a gossip column. As you probably know, some gossip columns flat out lie. So I'll wait until the 6th, watch the show myself and see if he looks smashed.

ok... easy, man! I'm just kidding with you today. no harm intended!

but I apologize before hand if I offended you in any way.

titan9 · 12-01-2005, 01:41 PM

No, you didn't. I forgot to put my smiley down. I knew you were joking and I was just joking around as well, heh.

Well, RS is now reporting it: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/sto...region=single1

Chase · 12-01-2005, 02:03 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by sina2b) give me a break, scott stapp is not a target for anyone, most people dont even know his name and hes clearly not a threat to anyone or any musician for being a victim of that sort of stuff. seeing what an ass stapp is, is simpler than 2+2 for me, why is it so hard for others to see this! this is whats bothering me, i allready know hes fucked up and none of this surprises me but the fact that people keep on defending him does.

stapp should dissappear instead of giving out new albums, this way he might be able to keep a good name for himself for at most a few years! Wind-Up should consider that

Wow... so obviously you didn't hear that recent radio interview in which the ENTIRE radio station set him up in order to antagonize him. Like it or not... he's still egged on by people. Let me ask you this? HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS IS TRUE? You can't back it up... you hate the guy, so you're using this as an opportunity to bitch and whine about him.

There's always two sides to a story... I mean... to me it sounds like 311 is sugar coating it. It's like they're saying "Oh, we were holding hands and singing songs... and then Stapp in all his infernal hatred arrived and pulled out a machine gun threatening to destroy us ALL!!!!"

Dogstar · 12-01-2005, 02:50 PM

I was doubtful of the story at first because I doubted the source. We still don't know all the facts, but if the 311 guys are talking about it, something must have happened. This is disappointing for sure.

The Lithium · 12-01-2005, 03:00 PM

Chase, being a rockstar doesn't make it okay to hit people! And it shouldn't matter if other rockstars beat each other up. That doesn't make it okay for anyone to do the same thing and Stapp should not be exused for this.

Stapp... You dumb ass, LEARN!!!

Rocketqueen · 12-01-2005, 03:23 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by The Lithium) Chase, being a rockstar doesn't make it okay to hit people! And it shouldn't matter if other rockstars beat each other up. That doesn't make it okay for anyone to do the same thing and Stapp should not be exused for this.

Stapp... You dumb ass, LEARN!!!

SURE IT DOES IT MAKES IT OK HAAAAAAAAA im kiding some what and Another damn thing there is to freaking sides to every story It May Not Have Been Right But im sure he had good Reason Thats a good enough Excuse I never Seen Such Cry Babys Get So Upset Over A Lit Wild Hair

Stapp Hit Me He Really Hit Me, They Should See The Light And Thank GOD Someboy Else Did,nt Get To,em First That Really Do Mager Damage

12-01-2005, 09:11 AM	#16
uncertaindrumer USER INFO » Status: Wound Up Posts: 1,255 Joined: Dec 2004 Currently: Offline	Quote: Being a Christian means recognizing your sins and asking for forgiveness from the higher power. No one can be "Christ-Like." Asking forgiveness from sins can have nothing to do with Christianity. How can the definition of your "Christianity" not even have Christ in it? I'm sure plenty of non-Christians do that. So defend Stapp how you want but he is not acting very Christian. Frankly every time I try to give the guy a chance he acts like a terd again. Did everyone read that article in which he compares himself to Sting? One must believe that he is the most ridiculous, deceit-filled, arrogant man on the planet after reading that article. He took drugs because he was "taking one for the team", he "wrote ALL the music for Creed" he was "TOO GIVING in nature and that's why Creed had its problems". I mean, who does he think we are? Morons? Oh wait. Yeah, the general public is... __________________ Titans baby, Titans.

12-01-2005, 10:17 AM	#19
uncertaindrumer USER INFO » Status: Wound Up Posts: 1,255 Joined: Dec 2004 Currently: Offline	^That's not so rare! lol, love the new avatar by the way. __________________ Titans baby, Titans.

12-01-2005, 10:31 AM	#20
titan9 USER INFO » Status: Bound and Tied Posts: 2,134 Joined: Dec 2004 Currently: Offline	shakes head Well, now that the 311 guys are telling the story themselves, it definitely has more credibility. If everything they say is true, wow, it's just so disappointing. Stapp's got this new album out and he's trying to establish himself as a solo artist. This is certainly the last thing he needs. If it is true, he needs to get himself some help. It appears that he can't drink a lot and still act somewhat civilized. I honestly think, just based on these stories, that he has a problem with alcohol. If he wants to redeem himself in the eyes of the fans, he needs to own up for it. I don't care if a lot of rockstars do it; that doesn't make it justifiable...especially when he paints himself as this good guy who has changed. When he is still showing up to certain places drunk, I think that shows that he probably hasn't changed as much as he claims. Anyway, I'm still a fan of his music. That won't change unless I start hating his music. __________________ Visit the 12 Stones Fan Community, 12stonesfans.com! Check out my friend's Music blog by here!

12-01-2005, 11:32 AM	#21
IamFilthy USER INFO » Status: Naked Toddler Posts: 221 Joined: Nov 2005 Currently: Offline	Quote: (Originally Posted by Chase) Being a Christian means recognizing your sins and asking for forgiveness from the higher power. No one can be "Christ-Like." Anyway... that's irrelevent. I honestly don't give a crap about who Stapp beats up, last time I checked... that had nothing to do with making music. I hate drug use... but that doesn't mean that I'll boycott every musician from Scott Weiland to Jimi Hendrix. Recently in rock, we've seen Disturbed beat up Finch... and Godsmack crew members beat up Story of the Year. Who ever said being a rock star is a gentleman's game? Look at Liam Gallagher of Oasis. That man is CONSTANTLY instigating feuds. That doesn't change the fact that his band created some of the best songs of the 1990s. I mean... why do people act surprised that Stapp has a temper? He's written songs like "Fight Song," "Bullets," and "What If." Bottom line... NONE OF US were there and there is no public evidence that this happened. For all we know... 311 has a dislike for Stapp and saw these rumors as a good way to slander Stapp. What Stapp does in his personal life has nothing to do with me. I listen to his music and enjoy his lyrics. Rarely, will you find a SAINT in rock music. Kurt Cobain would instigate fights constantly... that did not affect Nirvana's popularity at all. I dunno... I still remember when Godsmack said that Stapp was being a dick to some handicapped guy in a wheelchair. It's all words to me when someone can't provide a thread of evidence to back it up. I think you're jumping to conclusions too fast Steve... Stapp is an artist who is intensely hated and also adored. He's an easy target. To me, this is like Michael Moore saying that the President is a liar. If the source can't really provide evidence... then is the defendent guilty? Or is he/she innocent until PROVEN guilty? If this is true... then I wish the band that was there was Good Charlotte. I couldn't have said it any better myself! If it is true,..I'm glad he punched 311. They need it! As far as I'm concerned, THAT'S A ROCKSTAR! __________________ So let me change the timber of the section Add a little booze to ice I guess you probably noticed I've been living a double life

12-01-2005, 12:10 PM	#22
Bridge of Clay USER INFO » Status: Tree of Wisdom Posts: 8,025 Joined: Sep 2002 Currently: Offline	Quote: If everything they say is true, wow, it's just so disappointing. That's what we've been tryin' to tell ya! Btw... read the article I posted on page one. __________________ .:: "If people don't like guitar solos... then they're frikkin' stupid!" - Mark Tremonti ::.

12-01-2005, 12:37 PM	#23
titan9 USER INFO » Status: Bound and Tied Posts: 2,134 Joined: Dec 2004 Currently: Offline	I read it, dude. I'm taking that one with a grain of salt as that is from a gossip column. As you probably know, some gossip columns flat out lie. So I'll wait until the 6th, watch the show myself and see if he looks smashed. __________________ Visit the 12 Stones Fan Community, 12stonesfans.com! Check out my friend's Music blog by here!

12-01-2005, 12:50 PM	#24
Rocketqueen USER INFO » Status: Freedom Fighter Posts: 2,432 Joined: Oct 2005 Currently: Offline	Quote: (Originally Posted by IamFilthy) I couldn't have said it any better myself! If it is true,..I'm glad he punched 311. They need it! As far as I'm concerned, THAT'S A ROCKSTAR! HELL YEA __________________ I Indeed Babtize you with water BUT ONE Mightier Than I Cometh The Latchet Of Whose Shoes I,am Not Worthy To Unloose He Shall Babtize You With The Holy Ghost And With FIREEEEEEEEEE John The Babtist You Never Count Your Money When YOUR Sittin At The Table There Will Be Time Enough To Count,em When The Dealings Done

12-01-2005, 01:28 PM	#25
Bridge of Clay USER INFO » Status: Tree of Wisdom Posts: 8,025 Joined: Sep 2002 Currently: Offline	Quote: (Originally Posted by titan9) I read it, dude. I'm taking that one with a grain of salt as that is from a gossip column. As you probably know, some gossip columns flat out lie. So I'll wait until the 6th, watch the show myself and see if he looks smashed. ok... easy, man! I'm just kidding with you today. no harm intended! but I apologize before hand if I offended you in any way. __________________ .:: "If people don't like guitar solos... then they're frikkin' stupid!" - Mark Tremonti ::.

12-01-2005, 01:41 PM	#26
titan9 USER INFO » Status: Bound and Tied Posts: 2,134 Joined: Dec 2004 Currently: Offline	No, you didn't. I forgot to put my smiley down. I knew you were joking and I was just joking around as well, heh. Well, RS is now reporting it: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/sto...region=single1 __________________ Visit the 12 Stones Fan Community, 12stonesfans.com! Check out my friend's Music blog by here!

12-01-2005, 02:03 PM	#27
Chase USER INFO » Status: Wound Up Posts: 1,160 Joined: Oct 2004 Currently: Offline	Quote: (Originally Posted by sina2b) give me a break, scott stapp is not a target for anyone, most people dont even know his name and hes clearly not a threat to anyone or any musician for being a victim of that sort of stuff. seeing what an ass stapp is, is simpler than 2+2 for me, why is it so hard for others to see this! this is whats bothering me, i allready know hes fucked up and none of this surprises me but the fact that people keep on defending him does. stapp should dissappear instead of giving out new albums, this way he might be able to keep a good name for himself for at most a few years! Wind-Up should consider that Wow... so obviously you didn't hear that recent radio interview in which the ENTIRE radio station set him up in order to antagonize him. Like it or not... he's still egged on by people. Let me ask you this? HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS IS TRUE? You can't back it up... you hate the guy, so you're using this as an opportunity to bitch and whine about him. There's always two sides to a story... I mean... to me it sounds like 311 is sugar coating it. It's like they're saying "Oh, we were holding hands and singing songs... and then Stapp in all his infernal hatred arrived and pulled out a machine gun threatening to destroy us ALL!!!!" Last edited by Chase : 12-01-2005 at 02:07 PM.

12-01-2005, 02:50 PM	#28
Dogstar Forum Diplomat USER INFO » Status: Young Grown Old Posts: 21,345 Joined: Sep 2002 Currently: Offline	I was doubtful of the story at first because I doubted the source. We still don't know all the facts, but if the 311 guys are talking about it, something must have happened. This is disappointing for sure. __________________ Silly monkeys give them thumbs they make a club and beat their brother down. How they survive so misguided is a mystery.

12-01-2005, 03:23 PM	#30
Rocketqueen USER INFO » Status: Freedom Fighter Posts: 2,432 Joined: Oct 2005 Currently: Offline	Quote: (Originally Posted by The Lithium) Chase, being a rockstar doesn't make it okay to hit people! And it shouldn't matter if other rockstars beat each other up. That doesn't make it okay for anyone to do the same thing and Stapp should not be exused for this. Stapp... You dumb ass, LEARN!!! SURE IT DOES IT MAKES IT OK HAAAAAAAAA im kiding some what and Another damn thing there is to freaking sides to every story It May Not Have Been Right But im sure he had good Reason Thats a good enough Excuse I never Seen Such Cry Babys Get So Upset Over A Lit Wild Hair Stapp Hit Me He Really Hit Me, They Should See The Light And Thank GOD Someboy Else Did,nt Get To,em First That Really Do Mager Damage __________________ I Indeed Babtize you with water BUT ONE Mightier Than I Cometh The Latchet Of Whose Shoes I,am Not Worthy To Unloose He Shall Babtize You With The Holy Ghost And With FIREEEEEEEEEE John The Babtist You Never Count Your Money When YOUR Sittin At The Table There Will Be Time Enough To Count,em When The Dealings Done

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