Something is amiss - Page 4

Stappishot · 05-15-2006, 10:36 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Robin101) Scott's problem is that he pissed off a lot of people during his Creed days.

His actions not only alienated him from his bandmates but also Creed fans. Take into consideration how many people already hate the guy and you can understand why his album hasn't shifted many copies and his tours haven't been that successful - who is there left to support him and give his album a chance?

By opening for INXS it allows people who won't normally think about buying his album the chance to hear his material.

That's if INXS fans like Stapp, and will give him a chance. I'm hoping they will, cause he needs this.

eusebioCBR · 05-15-2006, 10:46 PM

Stapp/Creed music is VERY different from INXS.

Robin101 · 05-16-2006, 06:48 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by eusebioCBR) Stapp/Creed music is VERY different from INXS.

I think that's the whole idea.

When Stapp released his album he didn't know what the response was going to be. He had every right to believe that, with Weathered being a monster hit, the album could go Platinum and he could still be playing to arenas.

Unfortunately, this was not going to happen due to the reasons given in my previous post. Stapp has now tested the water and realized that he has to go back to square one and build his career again. The only way he can do this is to branch out to a different crowd and also show the 'closet' Creed fans he's not a waste of space. There's still a huge fan base out there for him IF he can get things right.

To open for INXS is both interesting and brave - but what has he got to lose?

eusebioCBR · 05-16-2006, 10:47 PM

^I don't see much happening, but if your right I owe you a Coke

inside_us_all04 · 05-19-2006, 06:45 AM

I just hope they come to Colorado... Id defnitly go!

HuMaN~ClAy · 05-19-2006, 08:12 AM

well i dunno but i can't even force feed his cd down my friends throats when they're in my car. they all just hate him, for what reason i have no idea. they took to alter bridge pretty good, better than they did to creed. i don't see stapp recovering from his bad reputation any time soon, and that's really too bad because he really loves what he does, i've never seen anyone on stage with as much passion as him before.

maybe this is just how it'll be from now on. he'll release cd's that won't do much besides ship gold... it won't be the same as it was 5 years ago for him, but i hope he keeps makin music because i know i'll keep buying it, pretty much no matter what... unless it's like a christmas album or somethin' :P... and i still might buy that.

Dogstar · 05-19-2006, 10:40 AM

I don't think it's as much his reputation as it is the quality of the music. The album, imho, just wasn't very good.

Robin101 · 05-19-2006, 11:22 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dogstar) I don't think it's as much his reputation as it is the quality of the music. The album, imho, just wasn't very good.

Could you say the same about One Day Remains considering it hasn't sold much better than The Great Divide? The Great Divide could end up selling more than One Day Remains but that doesn't make it a better album.

The fact is Stapp pissed off a lot of people during his time with Creed - much of it brought on by himself, some of it manufactured due to their unparalleled success. Unfortunately, some of the people he angered were Creed fans. Those who, with no real reason, already despised the guy now have ammunition with his 'solo screw-ups' - Casino Cinema, the sex tape, the arrest etc. Certain radio stations won't even play his music.

During Stapp's recent Detroit show, where he played My Sacrifice, Let Me Go, Surround Me, Sublime, The Great Divide and Broken acoustic, he said that INXS actually contacted HIM. He was a fan of them growing up.

BTW, anybody who thinks his voice is 'shot' should listen to the show and then have a nice slice of humble pie.

Dogstar · 05-19-2006, 11:35 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Robin101) Could you say the same about One Day Remains considering it hasn't sold much better than The Great Divide? The Great Divide could end up selling more than One Day Remains but that doesn't make it a better album.

I'm not actually talking about sales, but touring. AB didn't have to cancel their overseas tours. AB packed a lot of clubs when they went out. From what I've heard, Scott's tour didn't exactly pack them in. Now, granted, we don't know the reasons Scott's tour overseas was canned, but I'm guessing the label wasn't really happy with the ticket sales and didn't want to put up the money because they wouldn't get it back.

Quote: The fact is Stapp pissed off a lot of people during his time with Creed - much of it brought on by himself, some of it manufactured due to their unparalleled success. Unfortunately, some of the people he angered were Creed fans. Those who, with no real reason, already despised the guy now have ammunition with his 'solo screw-ups' - Casino Cinema, the sex tape, the arrest etc. Certain radio stations won't even play his music.

Certain radio stations not playing his music probably aren't getting the payola to do so. Like it or not, payola is alive and well. Sales initially weren't that good. Wind Up likely stopped pushing the album once it realized it wasn't going anywhere, and that includes probably cutting off payola. Recently, Sam Goody's closed up shop near me and they were having a massive sale. I went in just before it closed when almost all of the inventory was gone. No lie, there had to be 30 Scott Stapp solo CDs on the racks. People wouldn't even buy them at a ridiculously low price.

crest tattoo · 05-19-2006, 02:12 PM

Teri, silly me, what's payola mean?

Dogstar · 05-19-2006, 02:38 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by crest tattoo) Teri, silly me, what's payola mean?

Hehe, I'm Kerri, but you're close

Payola is/was a system where labels/promoters paid DJs money to get their songs played and played often. It was a big scandal in the late '50s, but it's still going on today, but now it's the program directors who supposedly get paid because the DJs don't control what's played at all. There used to be more options back in the day, but corporate ownership and an emphasis on supposed demographic studies/polls have pretty much taken choice away from the DJs.

crest tattoo · 05-19-2006, 04:11 PM

I know that Kerri. I don't know why I thought that! Silly, silly me.!

Dogstar · 05-19-2006, 05:07 PM

Hehe, no harm, no foul

05-15-2006, 10:36 PM	#46
Stappishot USER INFO » Status: Naked Toddler Posts: 292 Joined: Jan 2004 Currently: Offline	Re: Something is amiss Quote: (Originally Posted by Robin101) Scott's problem is that he pissed off a lot of people during his Creed days. His actions not only alienated him from his bandmates but also Creed fans. Take into consideration how many people already hate the guy and you can understand why his album hasn't shifted many copies and his tours haven't been that successful - who is there left to support him and give his album a chance? By opening for INXS it allows people who won't normally think about buying his album the chance to hear his material. That's if INXS fans like Stapp, and will give him a chance. I'm hoping they will, cause he needs this.

05-15-2006, 10:46 PM	#47
eusebioCBR USER INFO » Status: Shackled Hero Posts: 2,913 Joined: Oct 2005 Currently: Offline	Re: Something is amiss Stapp/Creed music is VERY different from INXS. __________________ When I held that gun in my hand, I felt a surge of power ....like God must feel when he's holding a gun. -Homer Simpson 24

05-16-2006, 06:48 AM	#48
Robin101 USER INFO » Status: Naked Toddler Posts: 298 Joined: Sep 2005 Currently: Offline	Re: Something is amiss Quote: (Originally Posted by eusebioCBR) Stapp/Creed music is VERY different from INXS. I think that's the whole idea. When Stapp released his album he didn't know what the response was going to be. He had every right to believe that, with Weathered being a monster hit, the album could go Platinum and he could still be playing to arenas. Unfortunately, this was not going to happen due to the reasons given in my previous post. Stapp has now tested the water and realized that he has to go back to square one and build his career again. The only way he can do this is to branch out to a different crowd and also show the 'closet' Creed fans he's not a waste of space. There's still a huge fan base out there for him IF he can get things right. To open for INXS is both interesting and brave - but what has he got to lose? __________________ Do what you can, with what you have, where you are ~ Awaken The Giant Within And then They went on to say That the pearly gates Had some eloquent graffiti Like 'We'll meet again' And 'Fuck the man' And 'Tell my mother not to worry' ~ The Trapeze Swinger Last edited by Robin101 : 05-16-2006 at 06:50 AM.

05-16-2006, 10:47 PM	#49
eusebioCBR USER INFO » Status: Shackled Hero Posts: 2,913 Joined: Oct 2005 Currently: Offline	Re: Something is amiss ^I don't see much happening, but if your right I owe you a Coke __________________ When I held that gun in my hand, I felt a surge of power ....like God must feel when he's holding a gun. -Homer Simpson 24

05-19-2006, 10:40 AM	#52
Dogstar Forum Diplomat USER INFO » Status: Young Grown Old Posts: 21,345 Joined: Sep 2002 Currently: Offline	Re: Something is amiss I don't think it's as much his reputation as it is the quality of the music. The album, imho, just wasn't very good. __________________ Silly monkeys give them thumbs they make a club and beat their brother down. How they survive so misguided is a mystery.

05-19-2006, 11:22 AM	#53
Robin101 USER INFO » Status: Naked Toddler Posts: 298 Joined: Sep 2005 Currently: Offline	Re: Something is amiss Quote: (Originally Posted by Dogstar) I don't think it's as much his reputation as it is the quality of the music. The album, imho, just wasn't very good. Could you say the same about One Day Remains considering it hasn't sold much better than The Great Divide? The Great Divide could end up selling more than One Day Remains but that doesn't make it a better album. The fact is Stapp pissed off a lot of people during his time with Creed - much of it brought on by himself, some of it manufactured due to their unparalleled success. Unfortunately, some of the people he angered were Creed fans. Those who, with no real reason, already despised the guy now have ammunition with his 'solo screw-ups' - Casino Cinema, the sex tape, the arrest etc. Certain radio stations won't even play his music. During Stapp's recent Detroit show, where he played My Sacrifice, Let Me Go, Surround Me, Sublime, The Great Divide and Broken acoustic, he said that INXS actually contacted HIM. He was a fan of them growing up. BTW, anybody who thinks his voice is 'shot' should listen to the show and then have a nice slice of humble pie. __________________ Do what you can, with what you have, where you are ~ Awaken The Giant Within And then They went on to say That the pearly gates Had some eloquent graffiti Like 'We'll meet again' And 'Fuck the man' And 'Tell my mother not to worry' ~ The Trapeze Swinger

05-19-2006, 11:35 AM	#54
Dogstar Forum Diplomat USER INFO » Status: Young Grown Old Posts: 21,345 Joined: Sep 2002 Currently: Offline	Re: Something is amiss Quote: (Originally Posted by Robin101) Could you say the same about One Day Remains considering it hasn't sold much better than The Great Divide? The Great Divide could end up selling more than One Day Remains but that doesn't make it a better album. I'm not actually talking about sales, but touring. AB didn't have to cancel their overseas tours. AB packed a lot of clubs when they went out. From what I've heard, Scott's tour didn't exactly pack them in. Now, granted, we don't know the reasons Scott's tour overseas was canned, but I'm guessing the label wasn't really happy with the ticket sales and didn't want to put up the money because they wouldn't get it back. Quote: The fact is Stapp pissed off a lot of people during his time with Creed - much of it brought on by himself, some of it manufactured due to their unparalleled success. Unfortunately, some of the people he angered were Creed fans. Those who, with no real reason, already despised the guy now have ammunition with his 'solo screw-ups' - Casino Cinema, the sex tape, the arrest etc. Certain radio stations won't even play his music. Certain radio stations not playing his music probably aren't getting the payola to do so. Like it or not, payola is alive and well. Sales initially weren't that good. Wind Up likely stopped pushing the album once it realized it wasn't going anywhere, and that includes probably cutting off payola. Recently, Sam Goody's closed up shop near me and they were having a massive sale. I went in just before it closed when almost all of the inventory was gone. No lie, there had to be 30 Scott Stapp solo CDs on the racks. People wouldn't even buy them at a ridiculously low price. __________________ Silly monkeys give them thumbs they make a club and beat their brother down. How they survive so misguided is a mystery.

05-19-2006, 02:38 PM	#56
Dogstar Forum Diplomat USER INFO » Status: Young Grown Old Posts: 21,345 Joined: Sep 2002 Currently: Offline	Re: Something is amiss Quote: (Originally Posted by crest tattoo) Teri, silly me, what's payola mean? Hehe, I'm Kerri, but you're close Payola is/was a system where labels/promoters paid DJs money to get their songs played and played often. It was a big scandal in the late '50s, but it's still going on today, but now it's the program directors who supposedly get paid because the DJs don't control what's played at all. There used to be more options back in the day, but corporate ownership and an emphasis on supposed demographic studies/polls have pretty much taken choice away from the DJs. __________________ Silly monkeys give them thumbs they make a club and beat their brother down. How they survive so misguided is a mystery.

05-19-2006, 05:07 PM	#58
Dogstar Forum Diplomat USER INFO » Status: Young Grown Old Posts: 21,345 Joined: Sep 2002 Currently: Offline	Re: Something is amiss Hehe, no harm, no foul __________________ Silly monkeys give them thumbs they make a club and beat their brother down. How they survive so misguided is a mystery.

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