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Old 01-07-2003, 09:24 PM   #16
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Great, sorry for the confusion!
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Old 01-07-2003, 10:23 PM   #17
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Quote: Originally posted by rodirocker
The chances of life happening by chance (The route you would take when you don't believe in any type of divinity) is one chance in 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000. yep that is a 1 with 60 zeros after it. You do not have the faith to believe there is a God, but you have the faith to believe in THAT???  

Now lets look at something else. Creation. Say you are walking in the mountains and you happen to stumble upon a watch in the rocks. You pick up the watch and automatically assume that there was some sort of intelligent design behind it. It couldn't have just been created by chance! When you look at an atom, a human eye, a mountain, your hand, a BRAIN, how in the world can you assume it all happened by chance? This is what you will be assuming when you become an athiest. Not a very wise choice. You would need MUCH MUCH MUCH more faith to be an athiest than a theist.  

Well I hope I made sense. I have much more to back up this arguement!


Actually, I think you have that backwards... I think you need to have more faith to be a theist than an athiest. Science can prove and explain things... the big bang theory is a pretty sound theory and is logical. From a general standpoint, which seems more logical - the big bang theory or an almighty being simply creating the world from nothing?
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Old 01-07-2003, 11:01 PM   #18
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I agree with Carrie in many ways. I was brought up a lot like Stapp in the fact that my dad was Catholic and mother was Pentacostal. I was raise RELIOUSLY confused!!!!! One minute my dad would say it was o.k. to go to a concert and the next minute I come home and my mother has demolished all my albums and states it's "the devil's music" Well to make a long story short I rebelled a lot like Stapp and eventually found my way, and consider myself very spiritual. I belive in god and Christ I try to live my life honest and true. I would be miserable without a belief in something, in times like we are in today I myself need something to give me hope and guidance. I have tried to go to different churches but never really fit into one, they all had different RULES and interpretations of "thier truth" so how do you know what one is correct? Church is made up of so many rules and regulations, they miss the real meaning behind Christianity.
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Old 01-07-2003, 11:04 PM   #19
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Old 01-07-2003, 11:59 PM   #20
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Quote: Originally posted by Steve
Actually, I think you have that backwards... I think you need to have more faith to be a theist than an athiest. Science can prove and explain things... the big bang theory is a pretty sound theory and is logical. From a general standpoint, which seems more logical - the big bang theory or an almighty being simply creating the world from nothing?


Actaully, I am pretty sure that I don't have it backwards. Who says God couldn't have used the big bang? I'm not saying that he did, but who says he didn't? And then wouldn't it be more logical for God to create something out of nothing than nothing to create something? where did all the matter that is involved in the big bang come from? nothing? Or are you trying to say that it "always was, is, and always will be"? That sounds like you are making matter, a sort of God. Something for you to ponder...

To tell you the truth, I don't think the big bang really proves anything. What exactly are you trying to prove? It is just a theory that explains how all the stars where put into motion. Especially about life that statistic that i had 1 in a 10 with 60 zeros after it... that is actually the chance on one amino acid (the building blocks of life), to randomly assemble itself. Sorry for the confusion. And this is just for an amino acid, think of all the other things that just cannot happen by random chance, like protein, DNA, blood, my mind cannot even comprehend the complexities of these systems.
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I was raised in a strict Catholic household and can relate to having had to write Bible verses for punishment. I consider myself a disenfranchised Catholic and haven't been to church regularly since college. I had some bad experiences in Catholic school that showed me much of my religion was hypocritical. I also have many issues regarding the *rules*. After much searching, I have found my own path to spirituality with the Bible as my sometimes guide. My philosophy is to treat others as I would want them to treat me and to be as good and decent a person as I can be.
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That is a great philosophy, Dogstar. Everyone should think in that frame of mind.
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In my oppinion, Catholics have it all wrong. They focus on the rules, and that is why many youths really get turned off to the Christian God. They believe that the more good works you do the more likely of a chance you will get into heaven. When the main theme of the Bible, is not rules, but a relationship consisting of you and a forgiving God. That's what it's all about, it's all about love. Love God, and love your neighbor as yourself. That is the main Biblical philosophy from my perspective.
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Quote: Originally posted by rodirocker
In my oppinion, Catholics have it all wrong. They focus on the rules, and that is why many youths really get turned off to the Christian God. They believe that the more good works you do the more likely of a chance you will get into heaven. When the main theme of the Bible, is not rules, but a relationship consisting of you and a forgiving God. That's what it's all about, it's all about love. Love God, and love your neighbor as yourself. That is the main Biblical philosophy from my perspective.


Thats whut they teach me at my "CATHOLIC" school
To love God and that stuff.
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Quote: Originally posted by rodirocker
In my oppinion, Catholics have it all wrong. They focus on the rules, and that is why many youths really get turned off to the Christian God. They believe that the more good works you do the more likely of a chance you will get into heaven. When the main theme of the Bible, is not rules, but a relationship consisting of you and a forgiving God. That's what it's all about, it's all about love. Love God, and love your neighbor as yourself. That is the main Biblical philosophy from my perspective.

Yeah....there's some stuff in the Catholic faith that i don't agree with...like prayin to Mary.....yeah i don't think so...
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Quote: Originally posted by Xterminator27
<b>Thats whut they teach me at my "CATHOLIC" school
To love God and that stuff. </b>


Well I SURE hope they don't teach you to hate God.
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Old 01-14-2003, 11:44 PM   #28
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WELL......people (teachers woteva!) should NOT teach any one to hate any thing. wot you hate is your choice! So, if u hate god and the bible and jesus, SO BE IT! no one can stop you from hating some thing! EG: some one cant come up to you and say that you have to hate something that you like just because they hate it also!!!!! that is just stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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WELL.....ok!!!!!!!
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Quote: Originally posted by StappsSaviour
WELL......people (teachers woteva!) should NOT teach any one to hate any thing. wot you hate is your choice! So, if u hate god and the bible and jesus, SO BE IT! no one can stop you from hating some thing! EG: some one cant come up to you and say that you have to hate something that you like just because they hate it also!!!!! that is just stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What are you talking about??????
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