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Quote: (Originally Posted by rabidgopher04)

In Baptism it is God who is doing the work. God is the one pouring out the grace, but of course it requires some human action.

Take the Bible - you could say that it is just a man-made set of texts. But reality is that God worked through the people who wrote them (hence divine inspiration) in order to communicate his message.

So in baptism someone needs to perform it, but it is truly God that is doing the real work. Man is not saving himself.

but that is still man having to save himself cause he has do some work in order to that. baptism is a symbolic showing of one's repentance and commitment but the act itself does NOTHING to save someone. it is a COMMANDED ordinance but it does not save anyone. only God only can justify a human soul according to the bible. higherdesire i'm not aware of any church that doesn't have baptism. however there are many churches which say that baptism does not form part of the salvation process. in fact there is no salvation process per se.