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Disillusioned · 10-07-2004, 05:29 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Jesusfreak) How can somebody say he's a christian and make Jesus a liar?
Jesus said no man comes to the father except through him.I wonder, what do people not understand about this? No man means no man.
It's not that hard to understand.
If somebody has little knowledge of sin and how sin was dealt with in the Old Testament knows that blood has to be shed to forgive or cover sin. In the OT animals had to be sacrificed. There is no other way to be forgiven! I don't care if this is politically correct or if muslims or buddhist accuse me of being intolerant!
There is only 1 way! If there were other ways Jesus would not have died this terrible death! In the garden Jesus prayed to the Father if there was another way. There was no other way! That is the bottom line.
People which lived on this earth and have never ever heard of Jesus and had no chance to accept him will be judged according to how they obey their conscience. Every humans knows right from wrong.
But there are not many people on this earth which have not heard of Jesus. Muslims know him, buddhists know him. They all know him.

If Mark believes that also buddhists make it to heaven then he does not read the bible. I think some people are scared of taking a stand and saying how it is. You cannot be friends with the world. The world hates the truth.
Nobody has a problem with Jesus, the wise man, or Jesus, the wise teacher.
But as soon as it comes to Jesus the Son of God you have the whole world against you.

On a personal level, I agee with what you have said. However, consider this...

What is the basis for a person's salvation, ultimately? Is it not singular? In otherwords, redemption is an individual choice made between a person and God. When I stand before God to give an account for my life, where will you be? You will not be there and neither will anyone else, because ultimately, when I stand before God, it will be on the basis of my own salvation...my salvation is based on whether or not I believe in the atoning blood of Jesus Christ for MY sin.

In my opinion, it doesn't really matter what Mark believes about the salvation of the Buddhist...Mark isn't God, and when it's all said and done, Mark isn't who the Buddhist will be answering to. I happen to believe Mark is wrong and/or blind, but I wouldn't go so far as to presume to know what his personal relationship with God is...as in, is he a Christian or not? What I can say, is that Mark has called himself a Christian.

That said, I do think we are accountable for what we believe apart from personal salvation, and I absolutely believe that we will, one day, answer to God for the words we have spoken.

I know nothing. I may know what I believe, and I may believe it with all of my heart...but it is still only what I believe to know, and not what I know.

10-07-2004, 05:29 PM	#21
Disillusioned USER INFO » Status: Unspoken Posts: 38 Joined: Sep 2004 Currently: Offline	Quote: (Originally Posted by Jesusfreak) How can somebody say he's a christian and make Jesus a liar? Jesus said no man comes to the father except through him.I wonder, what do people not understand about this? No man means no man. It's not that hard to understand. If somebody has little knowledge of sin and how sin was dealt with in the Old Testament knows that blood has to be shed to forgive or cover sin. In the OT animals had to be sacrificed. There is no other way to be forgiven! I don't care if this is politically correct or if muslims or buddhist accuse me of being intolerant! There is only 1 way! If there were other ways Jesus would not have died this terrible death! In the garden Jesus prayed to the Father if there was another way. There was no other way! That is the bottom line. People which lived on this earth and have never ever heard of Jesus and had no chance to accept him will be judged according to how they obey their conscience. Every humans knows right from wrong. But there are not many people on this earth which have not heard of Jesus. Muslims know him, buddhists know him. They all know him. If Mark believes that also buddhists make it to heaven then he does not read the bible. I think some people are scared of taking a stand and saying how it is. You cannot be friends with the world. The world hates the truth. Nobody has a problem with Jesus, the wise man, or Jesus, the wise teacher. But as soon as it comes to Jesus the Son of God you have the whole world against you. On a personal level, I agee with what you have said. However, consider this... What is the basis for a person's salvation, ultimately? Is it not singular? In otherwords, redemption is an individual choice made between a person and God. When I stand before God to give an account for my life, where will you be? You will not be there and neither will anyone else, because ultimately, when I stand before God, it will be on the basis of my own salvation...my salvation is based on whether or not I believe in the atoning blood of Jesus Christ for MY sin. In my opinion, it doesn't really matter what Mark believes about the salvation of the Buddhist...Mark isn't God, and when it's all said and done, Mark isn't who the Buddhist will be answering to. I happen to believe Mark is wrong and/or blind, but I wouldn't go so far as to presume to know what his personal relationship with God is...as in, is he a Christian or not? What I can say, is that Mark has called himself a Christian. That said, I do think we are accountable for what we believe apart from personal salvation, and I absolutely believe that we will, one day, answer to God for the words we have spoken. I know nothing. I may know what I believe, and I may believe it with all of my heart...but it is still only what I believe to know, and not what I know. Last edited by Disillusioned : 10-07-2004 at 06:01 PM.