i just think it's funny that anyone actually cares who started it, instead of just that it happend. anyway, my two cents is that stapp seems to have a few people who saw it and say that 311 started it, yet 311 has no one who was there defending them... and about the reference of correlation with the chicago show, plenty of creed's people were upset about that and didn't back stapp then. stapp was alone then (in his defense), and now he's not.
H-D