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uncertaindrumer · 05-25-2005, 08:53 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Sincirr) Hey hey hey! The issue is never ever with praying for people, but forgiving sins! We CANNOT have that role and no human should assume that it is ok!

I have talked to catholics that think it is great that they can go to a priest to have their sins absolved or whatever U say, because they cant go to Jesus cos they are too frightened. Catholicism should be encouraging the right that Christians have to "approach the throne of grace" and be "cleansed and washed from a guilty conscience" by the one who interceeds to the Father on our behalf! Why dont they??? Why get others involved when its not necessary and to add, not biblical!

I have heard the argument confess your sins one to another so use something else please. I actually do appreciate your comments so dont think I am provoking you to anger or anything. Though I might piss U off a little, hehe.

Cos the gospel was chained up in a basement somewhere by the Catholic church, unable to be distributed, preached to the world [translated], and supplied to the poor who needed it, and the truth was governed by a religious group, which is sort of a backslide big time, cos the Pharisees Aural law was abolished by Jesus and now the catholic church were bringing it back! Insanity!

Once again, NO EVIDENCE!!! Bibles were never "chained up in a basement" and that is clear prejudicial nonsense to think so.

They WERE chained in some areas, want to know why? So that people could READ THEM!! Amazingly, unlike today, not everyone HAD A BIBLE, so they were put in Public places, CHAINED THERE to keep them from being stolen, and people could read them. THAT IS A FACT.

As for Confession, Catholics who say they confess to a priest because they are afraid to go to God are being ridiculous. Confessing sins to a Priest IS CONFESSING THEM TO GOD. It is GOD who forgives the sins, it is the Priest standing in for Jesus, JUST LIKE JESUS TOLD HIM TO DO.

Jesus tell the Apostles "whose sins you forgive they are forgiven; whose sins you retain they are retained".

It does not get much more obvious than that. Not to mention the various times Christ tells them to do as HE HAS DONE, and what has Christ done? Forgiven sins, constantly.

Also, Jester, you continue to show your utter lack of knowledge in these matters. We are saved THROUGH GOD'S GRACE by Faith and Good Works. God's Grace is the most important part because without it, Faith and Works are useless. But a Protestant would tell you we are saved by God's grace through Fatih, even though James 2:14-26 explicitly condemns that notion.

And as for Augustine, I missed your comments on him because you comment on everything. He was a heretic. SO?! St. Ambrose converted Augustine, and over the thirty years of his life as a converted Christian, he wrote some of the Church's most beautiful works of that period, or any period in time.

And I would definitely appreciate it if you stopped insulting me. If your arguments are so weak that you rely on insults, stop posting anyway.

05-25-2005, 08:53 AM	#109
uncertaindrumer USER INFO » Status: Wound Up Posts: 1,255 Joined: Dec 2004 Currently: Offline	Quote: (Originally Posted by Sincirr) Hey hey hey! The issue is never ever with praying for people, but forgiving sins! We CANNOT have that role and no human should assume that it is ok! I have talked to catholics that think it is great that they can go to a priest to have their sins absolved or whatever U say, because they cant go to Jesus cos they are too frightened. Catholicism should be encouraging the right that Christians have to "approach the throne of grace" and be "cleansed and washed from a guilty conscience" by the one who interceeds to the Father on our behalf! Why dont they??? Why get others involved when its not necessary and to add, not biblical! I have heard the argument confess your sins one to another so use something else please. I actually do appreciate your comments so dont think I am provoking you to anger or anything. Though I might piss U off a little, hehe. Cos the gospel was chained up in a basement somewhere by the Catholic church, unable to be distributed, preached to the world [translated], and supplied to the poor who needed it, and the truth was governed by a religious group, which is sort of a backslide big time, cos the Pharisees Aural law was abolished by Jesus and now the catholic church were bringing it back! Insanity! Once again, NO EVIDENCE!!! Bibles were never "chained up in a basement" and that is clear prejudicial nonsense to think so. They WERE chained in some areas, want to know why? So that people could READ THEM!! Amazingly, unlike today, not everyone HAD A BIBLE, so they were put in Public places, CHAINED THERE to keep them from being stolen, and people could read them. THAT IS A FACT. As for Confession, Catholics who say they confess to a priest because they are afraid to go to God are being ridiculous. Confessing sins to a Priest IS CONFESSING THEM TO GOD. It is GOD who forgives the sins, it is the Priest standing in for Jesus, JUST LIKE JESUS TOLD HIM TO DO. Jesus tell the Apostles "whose sins you forgive they are forgiven; whose sins you retain they are retained". It does not get much more obvious than that. Not to mention the various times Christ tells them to do as HE HAS DONE, and what has Christ done? Forgiven sins, constantly. Also, Jester, you continue to show your utter lack of knowledge in these matters. We are saved THROUGH GOD'S GRACE by Faith and Good Works. God's Grace is the most important part because without it, Faith and Works are useless. But a Protestant would tell you we are saved by God's grace through Fatih, even though James 2:14-26 explicitly condemns that notion. And as for Augustine, I missed your comments on him because you comment on everything. He was a heretic. SO?! St. Ambrose converted Augustine, and over the thirty years of his life as a converted Christian, he wrote some of the Church's most beautiful works of that period, or any period in time. And I would definitely appreciate it if you stopped insulting me. If your arguments are so weak that you rely on insults, stop posting anyway. __________________ Titans baby, Titans.