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titan9 · 12-02-2005, 02:36 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dogstar) I don't know. When he told his side of the story about the Chicago show, that was a PR nightmare.

Yeah, because it now appears that he lied about that to make himself look better. If he tells the truth about this new incident, maybe he can regain some credibility and some respect from people.

Quote: (Originally Posted by sina2b) True, but what 311 is saying can actually happen if what theyre saying is true. But how you can analyze a fight and know who started it with a video with no voice at a very dark place just does not seem logical to me. Note that 311 admits to have started the ass kicking, but what actually started the fight was the comment stapp has made on one of their wives which the security manager does not know or can not tell from the video.

He might be able to tell that IF it had audio as well as visual. There's no telling if it did or didn't. Regardless, even if Stapp did say something(and if he did, that's downright disgraceful) that doesn't excuse violence. I've been called names in the past and have not raised a fist, no matter how bad. The only time I would result to fighting would be in self defense if I were attacked physically first. It would have been just as easy for 311 to walk out and leave Stapp there. I understand that the dude's wife's feelings were probably hurt, but I still don't think violence is the answer.

12-02-2005, 02:36 PM	#87
titan9 USER INFO » Status: Bound and Tied Posts: 2,134 Joined: Dec 2004 Currently: Offline	Quote: (Originally Posted by Dogstar) I don't know. When he told his side of the story about the Chicago show, that was a PR nightmare. Yeah, because it now appears that he lied about that to make himself look better. If he tells the truth about this new incident, maybe he can regain some credibility and some respect from people. Quote: (Originally Posted by sina2b) True, but what 311 is saying can actually happen if what theyre saying is true. But how you can analyze a fight and know who started it with a video with no voice at a very dark place just does not seem logical to me. Note that 311 admits to have started the ass kicking, but what actually started the fight was the comment stapp has made on one of their wives which the security manager does not know or can not tell from the video. He might be able to tell that IF it had audio as well as visual. There's no telling if it did or didn't. Regardless, even if Stapp did say something(and if he did, that's downright disgraceful) that doesn't excuse violence. I've been called names in the past and have not raised a fist, no matter how bad. The only time I would result to fighting would be in self defense if I were attacked physically first. It would have been just as easy for 311 to walk out and leave Stapp there. I understand that the dude's wife's feelings were probably hurt, but I still don't think violence is the answer. __________________ Visit the 12 Stones Fan Community, 12stonesfans.com! Check out my friend's Music blog by here!