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creediscool17 · 10-18-2009, 08:25 AM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Icedmofo) The same could be said of Is This The End and One Last Breath. Both start with a soft finger picked intro, then a clean chorus, then build in the rest of the band, then have a distorted chorus into a more dramatic bridge and then into a clean chorus, then repeating the chorus again with the full band and distortion.

My point isn't that other bands do it, it's that ALL bands do it to some extent, so your argument of nickelback is a poor one because all bands repeat not only chords, but structure, vocal quality, and rhythm on at least 1/4 of their material.

Very few bands have a song that after you hear it you can say they have no other song in their entire repertoire that is in any way similar.

It's not a bad thing, it's called style.

Chad Kroeger may have a style you don't like, but it's simpler for you to just say you dont' like the quality of his voice than to make a poorly supported argument to make yourself sound intelligent when the same point could be made for many other bands.

You telling me the lead singer for AC/DC is bad because he doesn't sing with vibrato? He sounds pretty much the same on everything but it's still kickass because that's his style and his signature.

Where's the line? David Draiman of Disturbed has two parts to his voice that he sings in, the melodic, and the screamed part. I like the screamed part and i hate when he sings without it, does that make him a bad singer? Or is that just his style? A lot of Disturbed's music is very similar, frequently the entire song is distorted, does that make their music bad? Or is that just their style? Is two parts to your voice not enough to make you good? Or is that just your style?

Is Chad Kroeger somewhat of a one trick pony? Sure. Do i like Nickelback's music? No. But there are some AWFUL singer/songwriters out there that can't hold a key or string together a decent lyrical sentence, and he can, and he's one smart ass business man, regardless of what you think of his music.

Not everyone is born with a versatile voice. You have what you are given the day you walk onto this planet. Some people can't sing with vibrato whatsoever, all they can do is straight tone. Some people have no control over their vibrato. Some people have a really fast vibrato that makes them sounds like a tweeting bird and it's really fucking ugly. Some people are born with perfect pitch, some aren't. Chad Kroeger was born with a really good rasp to his voice, but he's unable to sing without it.

Look up Raul Esparza, he's a broadway actor. He has an amazing voice when he sings straight tone, but he has a naturally fast vibrato when he sings, and i think it sounds terrible when he let's his voice go there. There's the possibility that Chad Kroeger maybe has a vibrato and it just sounds awful naturally, so for the style of music he writes it's better for him to not even make the attempt.

Anyway, if you hate cheesy lyrics, just say that. If you hate his voice and the way it sounds, just say that. Don't make some convoluted argument based on made up facts without putting any contrast whatsoever to any point you make and expect us to think you're smart for it. Especially when you clearly know nothing about vocal technique or the physical aspects that go along with determining what someone's voice sounds like and why.

1. i never said that any band doesn't follow some formula at some point.
2. one last breath and is this the end, the intros sound nothing alike, just because their finger picked doesn't mean their the same, get a clue
3. chad kroeger wasn't born with a "raspy" voice, he just can't sing, he yells.
4. yes the singer from ac/dc is bad, their the most overrated band in rock music, every song has the same 4 count drum beat, the same chords, and the same terrible lyrics.
5. singing isn't a god given talent, believe or not... many singers actually work hard and do all the right things to keep their voice in good shape, if you ever took a vocal lesson you would know this
6. proof for number 5? listen to mark tremonti on my own prison when he sings, now listen to him singing on "a thousand faces" live in their houston show... WAY better, why? because he has had much experience since then.
7. you made an argument about singing without mentioning Thom Yorke... if you don't know who Thom Yorke is, you don't know who the single greatest singer is of our generation, and you have no credibility.
8.... Im done with the fucking nickelback argument.

10-18-2009, 08:25 AM	#34
creediscool17 Banned USER INFO » Status: Misconception Posts: 88 Joined: Sep 2009 Currently: Offline	Re: who cares about chart positions? Quote: (Originally Posted by Icedmofo) The same could be said of Is This The End and One Last Breath. Both start with a soft finger picked intro, then a clean chorus, then build in the rest of the band, then have a distorted chorus into a more dramatic bridge and then into a clean chorus, then repeating the chorus again with the full band and distortion. My point isn't that other bands do it, it's that ALL bands do it to some extent, so your argument of nickelback is a poor one because all bands repeat not only chords, but structure, vocal quality, and rhythm on at least 1/4 of their material. Very few bands have a song that after you hear it you can say they have no other song in their entire repertoire that is in any way similar. It's not a bad thing, it's called style. Chad Kroeger may have a style you don't like, but it's simpler for you to just say you dont' like the quality of his voice than to make a poorly supported argument to make yourself sound intelligent when the same point could be made for many other bands. You telling me the lead singer for AC/DC is bad because he doesn't sing with vibrato? He sounds pretty much the same on everything but it's still kickass because that's his style and his signature. Where's the line? David Draiman of Disturbed has two parts to his voice that he sings in, the melodic, and the screamed part. I like the screamed part and i hate when he sings without it, does that make him a bad singer? Or is that just his style? A lot of Disturbed's music is very similar, frequently the entire song is distorted, does that make their music bad? Or is that just their style? Is two parts to your voice not enough to make you good? Or is that just your style? Is Chad Kroeger somewhat of a one trick pony? Sure. Do i like Nickelback's music? No. But there are some AWFUL singer/songwriters out there that can't hold a key or string together a decent lyrical sentence, and he can, and he's one smart ass business man, regardless of what you think of his music. Not everyone is born with a versatile voice. You have what you are given the day you walk onto this planet. Some people can't sing with vibrato whatsoever, all they can do is straight tone. Some people have no control over their vibrato. Some people have a really fast vibrato that makes them sounds like a tweeting bird and it's really fucking ugly. Some people are born with perfect pitch, some aren't. Chad Kroeger was born with a really good rasp to his voice, but he's unable to sing without it. Look up Raul Esparza, he's a broadway actor. He has an amazing voice when he sings straight tone, but he has a naturally fast vibrato when he sings, and i think it sounds terrible when he let's his voice go there. There's the possibility that Chad Kroeger maybe has a vibrato and it just sounds awful naturally, so for the style of music he writes it's better for him to not even make the attempt. Anyway, if you hate cheesy lyrics, just say that. If you hate his voice and the way it sounds, just say that. Don't make some convoluted argument based on made up facts without putting any contrast whatsoever to any point you make and expect us to think you're smart for it. Especially when you clearly know nothing about vocal technique or the physical aspects that go along with determining what someone's voice sounds like and why. 1. i never said that any band doesn't follow some formula at some point. 2. one last breath and is this the end, the intros sound nothing alike, just because their finger picked doesn't mean their the same, get a clue 3. chad kroeger wasn't born with a "raspy" voice, he just can't sing, he yells. 4. yes the singer from ac/dc is bad, their the most overrated band in rock music, every song has the same 4 count drum beat, the same chords, and the same terrible lyrics. 5. singing isn't a god given talent, believe or not... many singers actually work hard and do all the right things to keep their voice in good shape, if you ever took a vocal lesson you would know this 6. proof for number 5? listen to mark tremonti on my own prison when he sings, now listen to him singing on "a thousand faces" live in their houston show... WAY better, why? because he has had much experience since then. 7. you made an argument about singing without mentioning Thom Yorke... if you don't know who Thom Yorke is, you don't know who the single greatest singer is of our generation, and you have no credibility. 8.... Im done with the fucking nickelback argument.