right you are indeed i do believe ya,alls i brought that up in a thread concering vocals, i guess since thats the topic always surrounding stapp it was in this area or the creed area, can,t recall, but the older one becomes the lower your voice gets your range goeth, because you got work deeper in your lungs and guts, and realize, that your young vocal chords your familiar with using is going through puberty all over again, from a certian prespective,