Sick Of IT?
 

Anyone else sick of people giving Stapp a hard time now, but when he was in Creed they said he was God?, I don't mind the ones who say they won't like his solo stuff because if your do ya do and if ya don't ya don't but to badmouth his look and stuff like that now Creed's over just SUCKS!

:shoot: :killtard:

yeah, that's bs. I agree with you.

Ditto. I am tired of Stapp bashing. Of course, some actual news would be nice as well.

I'm sick of it, but I'm also used to seeing Stapp bashed. It's been happening since Creed got big. It doesn't change my opinion of him, though. I agree with you, it's wrong how people have just turned on him since he went solo and the break up happened.

I know I'm going to get bashed for this, so here goes if Mark wrote the majority of Creed's songs, then how come Scott can get away singing them on tv or radio interviews?

Because they shared the credit and now there's nothing to do about it. Besides, no one knows for a fact that Mark wrote the majority of the songs. Hell, the very word majority may mean something different for everyone.

Good Lord, don't we have ENOUGH threads on this already? :rolleyes:

well i think many of us spent time defending the man and those same people have now had their eyes opened and some of them really don't like the man at all anymore. is it a bit overblown? perhaps so...it it surprising? no

Go Scott!! :stappchic

I'd have to agree, Dogstar. Pity there isn't really anything else to talk about in this forum.

Well, if Wind Up would ever get off their fat butts and give us some updates on Stapp's site, perhaps we'd have something else to talk about? Seriously though, his site has said "full site coming soon" since like July. When is that full site gonna be made? It didn't take'em this long to give Alter Bridge a full site. Even I could get a full site up in about three days. So what's taking'em so long? If his album is supposed to come out in February/March(that's what he was saying in interviews) then where are the updates about how it's going? Where are the audio clips? I'm beginning to get impatient.:D

and i have to take this comment as speaking for yourself...because there are still those of us that believe that stapp has a lot more to offer and we haven't decided he is some kind of "persona non grata" that deserves to be treated like many of the former Creed fans have chosen to.

i believe he has so much more to offer than people are giving him credit for.

Maybe things would move along quicker if he didn't have to worry about what people thought about him all the time (bashers and fans alike). He knows what people are saying about him and probably has to work harder than the other guys, who didn't start out with an asshole reputation.

Irregardless of what you say or think, there's a reason Stapp has the persona he does. I'm not saying Stapp is a good or bad person, but everything the media has shown regarding Stapp has been negative - his divorce, bar fights, Creed and his ego, etc. That's the reason he's got the persona he does.

Agreed Steve, but you know, he's not all bad and he's not all good. What do you think the reason is that Creed actually made it to the 10 year mark? Everybody's concentrating on why they broke up, but why they stuck it out for as long as they have with Stapp "being the way he is", nobody seems to want to hear. If he was such an ass, why didn't they call it right from the start and tell him "to hell with you"?

I agree with what you're saying, Fly. I don't think Stapp is as bad as everyone makes him out to be.

I just think when he's in a good state he can charm the pants right off of anyone, and when he's in an asshole mode he can be a real asshole. Makes him not much different from most of us. It's just a lot easier to remember the bad times than it is the good times. With this solo career he's been given another chance. What he makes out of it is entirely in his hands, musically and persona vise. I know he can turn it around, if he only wants to.

I think for a lot of the people around here, it came as a crushing blow to hear such negative things from Flip and Tremo as opposed to the media. Because honestly, how many of us believed the things we heard on TV about Scott? They blow everything out of proportion but when his own bandmates begin talking about what a prick he is, I started to get worried. But whatever, it's about music and I still love Scott as well as Alter Bridge.

^^And that's exactly how it should be. Worship the music, not the guy who creates it. We don't know Stapp personally. We only know him musically. I think you gotta draw the line. I think Stapp's awesome musically, but I don't know how he is personally and thus, I can't say he's an angel in real life. No one on this board can because none of us know him personally. Just like we can't say Tremonti, Philips and Marshall are angels in real life,(outside of music) either. And I agree about the media blowing things out of proportion. I'm used to that happening.

i agree :D but i want your avi its way coooooooooooooooooooooooooool

Very well said.

Thanks Alicia

Who's to say he doesn't read here or has friends on different boards? I'm sure most of the bashers even count on it. Why say negative stuff about him if he never finds out about it, right? And maybe those friends have tried to tell people that he's really not so bad, but left because who's gonna believe them anyway? It's much easier to love a good guy than to even like a person with whom you never know what you get from one minute to another. Accepting just that is the secret to a real friendship, as hard as it is. And now I'm totally off topic..sorry :rolleyes:

lol thanks

..and it doesn't freak me out one bit :D

Fly...you are not off topic by saying that acceptance of someone for who they are in both good and bad times makes a friendship...that is part
of any friendship worth it's salt...i agree with that wholeheartedly. Yet a friend would not air "dirty laundry" on a public message board, they would have more respect.

They would however be there in good conscience, to support him, and when he was being a butthead, a friend would tell him, but not in the public arena, or they would hold their silence until such time as they could tell him face to face.

I agree that anyone who knew/knows him, probably has gotten fed up with the negativity and probably post very little if at all...but yeah, odds are they do read...

What gets me is as you say, where he goes with his solo career is up to him, the choices he makes are his and at at the end of the day isn't that where where it should be left...and yet so many on the BB circut seem to feel they know him better than he knows himself, that he should be doing "this" and has no right to do "that"...

since i have been around it has always been this way, sadly...he's been bashed, trashed, lifted up and lowered down, cussed out and praised..and sometimes in the same breath (post)...then there have also been the occasional "thank you's", too...sincere or otherwise...yet he continued to sing with the passion and feeling that made him so special to many and disliked by others.

i'll leave this post with a few lines from two of Creeds songs...Weathered and Bullets...always liked what they said...

Weathered

Believe what you will
That is your right
But I choose to win
I choose to fight

Bullets

Said why...Why do we live our life
With all this hate inside
I'll give it away
'Cause I don't want it no more

Ann, I don't want to take anything away from your post, because I do agree as far as friendship goes, and the way things were handled after the break up.
Who really knows how much shit it took for Tremonti and Phillips to take before they walked away? How much anger and frustration they had in themselves to actually make statements as such toward fans and the press. And the reason Stapp turned away instead of talking to the guys? Was he as hurt as everybody at the mess they ALL created? How many promises to each other had been broken before they blew it all to hell?

The fans really were put in a horrible position to have to chose, and nobody on any message board can tell me that as long as they're still participating in conversations like this one, "it's all about the music". It's about fallen "heroes".

I LOVE Scott and always will!!!! He is still awesome and he has a great voice I will always LOVE Creed wheather they are together or NOT!!! :D

:bow2: *ding, ding, ding* we have a winner...I think you hit the nail on the head!

Still, it doesn't make it right to air your privat beef with someone on the internet and turn as many people as possible against your former friend/bandmate. If we all did this just to make ourselves look better, who'd be left to trust us?

Some people call Stapp delusional for not acknowledging what's been said, but maybe he's just respecting what they had together and in turn their fans. If this doesn't mean shit to the band members, it sure means a lot to me as a Creed fan.

I have to agree fly. I think Scott does not want to bash his friends/former bandmates. I don't think he wants to burn anymore bridges between them, especially if there is ever a chance they can put thier differences aside and come together even as friends, and/or a band in the future.

I don't think it's fair for any of us to bash ANY OF THE MEMBERS OF CREED, as we have not been there behind the scenes all these years. I also think sometimes fans start bashing certain members, as a way to deal with what has happened. We know everyone likes to have someone to blame, and since the finger has been pointed at Scott, and we have not heard much from Scott, it's easy for some people to do. I am just as anxious (very impatiently I might say), as anyone to see what is happening with Scott's future career!

Eagerly waiting,

Scotts Angel

Yup, I'm awaiting Scott's solo efforts, too. I just wish we'd get more news on it. Like, is it coming out in March like he's said in the past? I'd like to know when to expect the CD.

I'm beginning to think that Scott's album is going to go to the same place GNR's Chinese Democracy went--limbo.

Oh ye of little faith... :D

I hope not, Agent D.

Ill be honest, I don't really care if scott comes out with solo stuff, i am so immersed in so much other music, i doubt i will have time.

I know, I know, I'm just drowning here. We haven't seen him do much of anything except some interviews and performing Higher with shitty backing bands lol.

I'm anxious to hear his stuff, too. But I'm being about as patient as I can be. I believe we'll eventually hear it, I'm just not sure when. I admit, it's tough hearing all this negative stuff(like Teaparty not working with him anymore) and trying to remain positive, but I'm optimistic that when he does release the solo album, it'll be good.

You' re right!!!!!! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :stapp:

i'm not here to bash scott, but i thought it was common knowledge that mark wrote the music (i.e. notes for guitar, bass, etc.) & scott provided the lyrics. at least that's the impression i'm under. and you make a good point by stating they co-wrote. if you look in the credits or whatever you call 'em, "Stapp/Tremonti" is listed as the writer. so i guess either of them would be able to use the songs if they so desired.
but, as far as the definition of majority, i always thought that, to most people anyway, a majority is defined as 50% + 1 (or more). now, i know there's different types of majorities, but when someone uses the term "majority" without clarifying, it's generally understood that they mean at least half plus one extra person (or whatever is being quantified).

I've always believed that Mark wrote just about all of the music and that Stapp wrote the lyrics.