Originally Posted by Trees of Wisdom

Well, tell Scott Stapp to stop being an ass then we still could have had Creed.

Originally Posted by Kim V.

the friendship/brotherhood they shared

Originally Posted by Trees of Wisdom

Well, tell Scott Stapp to stop being an ass then we still could have had Creed.

Originally Posted by Gabriel

I'm not saying the other guys have not done it. I mean, Marks convo at the meet and greet ended up on a bulliten board so you all know what was said. I'm just saying that the knife cuts both ways.

Michael

Originally Posted by Kim V.

If you don't like Stapp, why is your user name taken from the very lyrics Scott wrote for What If?

Again, with all due respect, have you met Scott and know for a fact that he's an ass, or are you going by what others say about him? I'm sorry, I just can't stand all the heresay and rumors that float around about Stapp and Creed in general. :mad1:

Originally Posted by Shadow

Why do you just assume that it's all Scott. It takes two to tango - in any situation. Don't call him an ass (I knew sooner or later your negative comments about Scott would come out.)


That's a big reason why I don't understand this break-up. Aren't friends supposed to stick by each other - no matter what?

Originally Posted by Trees of Wisdom

Michael already said that Stapp said crap about the band members. What else do you want?

Originally Posted by Shadow

Not to bring up something that happened so long ago, but Mark knew what he was doing and who he was talking to. Maybe he wanted it to end up on a BB, especially the one where all the rumours started.

Originally Posted by Shadow

I was going to respond to this - but forget it, it's not worth it.

Originally Posted by Trees of Wisdom

"It takes two to tango". It's like saying it was also the jews' faults that the Holocaust ever happened; it wasn't entirely Hitler's fault. Terrible logic there.

I can call Scott Stapp an ass all I want, just like I can call Mark a great person because they're both true.

Don't you remember what Michael said? They haven't spoken to each other in months. As far as I know, Mark, Flip, and Brian are not friends with Scott anymore.

Originally Posted by Steve

I think you are reading way to much into the situation. I'm not saying what is or isn't true, but just because they haven't spoken doesn't mean they are not friends. I haven't spoken with friends I had in highschool in a long time. I still consider them friends, especially if I ever get in touch with them again.

Originally Posted by Shadow

And you know this because.......

And you know this because.......

Do you also think the sun rises and sets because of Mark?

Originally Posted by Trees of Wisdom

IWhat kind of question is that? I'm as big of a fan of Mark as you are of Stapp, so don't say anything.

Originally Posted by Kim V.

With all due respect, I'd like to add my two cents, for whatever it's worth. To me, the above is still more he said this, he said that, only it's probably people who don't like Stapp saying that he made disparaging remarks about his bandmates. There are plenty of people out there who didn't appreciate the magic Tremonti and Stapp made musically, and the friendship/brotherhood they shared, and some were probably jealous/envious enough to the point where they would have liked nothing more than to see that all come to an end. Of course they wouldn't say those things in the media, because it can all be very secretive. It's called backbiting, and that way no one can get caught spreading the rumors. Just my thoughts on the subject.