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Thanks for the info, Marcos. I was kind of wondering where all that came from.
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Yeah, it all makes sense now. I really feel bad for Mark, now knowing what happened from his standpoint. That drummer should not have promised to not perform Creed songs when he probably knew that, as long as he stuck with Gone Blind and Stapp, he'd have to do those songs. To lie to Mark like that, man, that's just wrong and I definitely don't respect Gone Blind after this.
I've said from the beginning that I do not like the idea of Stapp performing the Creed songs and I stand by that. It's really sad that Stapp would disrespect Mark in that way. Granted, Mark has not been kind to Stapp in all the interviews since the break-up, but if Stapp wanted to show that he's the more mature man, that he's willing to make peace with Mark, Brian and Flip, he's definitely failed. But I still laugh when I read that quote.:laugh: |
Assholes!
No Titan, Mark haven't been a nice guy when it comes to Stapp. But there's a lot of reasons, this is just one! |
Sounds like i was pissed at stapp for the same reason tremonti is. It comes from a musical standpoint, and common sense. If you write a song with someone, and you share a copyright under one band name, its wrong to assume that one band member can go out and do the songs to keep their name alive. I respect alter bridge for that, Myles Kennedy isnt doing Mayfield Four songs, Tremonti doesnt play creed songs out, thats how it should be.
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Exactly. Unless they came to some sort of agreement, that stuff should be played only by Creed, all of Creed.
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Oh yeah, if he's said those things for the right reasons, I can't really fault Mark. That would stink to have a guy who was once one of your best friends just betray his promise to you. That's pretty much how it is in this situation. If everything Mark said is true(and I'm beginning to believe it is), then Stapp has betrayed his promise to Mark to not perform Creed songs. I'm a big Stapp fan, but even I can't defend him in this situation. |
Stapp is trying to keep his name alive, thats all there is to it. If i wrote a song with a band, i know i certainly wouldnt want an ex member of that band playing it out and making money off of it. The ONLY creed song that Stapp should be able to play out still is With Arms Wide Open, that was for his son, and from being a father as well as a musician i can say that it would be fair. I whole heartedly agree with everything that was said in the interview with tremonti tho, whole heartedly. Crucify me if you want, its been my opinion from the get-go.
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Dang. I've been out of the loop for a while. What was the "pawn shop" quote? Ehh, maybe I'll find it somewhere. It sucks that Mark has been being used like that (if that was indeed the case). Since I don't know all the details, I can't make a clear-cut decision, but if there was an agreement between Scott and Mark that neither of them would play Creed songs, Scott should have stuck to it.
H-D :pimp: |
Colin, it's on the new GuitarOne article.
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Wow, with friends like those............
Thanks for the info Marcos! |
reason # 9832 stapp is a douchebag.........
i don't care if stapp plays creed songs on tour ( in fact i'ld probably like to hear him play with arms wide open considering what its about and its personal meaning to him) but he should have kept the verbal agreement. furthermore he is making a gigantic fool of himself but saying creed are going to get back together when it would take a near miracle for that to occur in the next 10 years. |
Creed who?
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Tremonti and the boys are having too much fun with Alter Bridge, and doing the style they've wanted and they have the freedom to do whatever they wish. I think that I would be highly disappointed if i did see creed get back together. I love creed, and that band will always have a ton of meaning to whatever i do with music, but its over, they are all going to realize that creed was a great thing, but their separate bands are gonna do them a lot better in the long run.
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how can stapp really believe that they are gonna get back together its just rediculous
as my mum would say hes got a screw loose |
Before all of this... I thought Stapp fans ewre crazy but heck, it is their opinion. Anyone who still respects the guy after this is just a moron. Plain and simple. I hope I'm not breaking any board rules by saying that cuz it is friggin true. Alright, you like his voice, and you like his preachy crappy lyrics.
Fine. But the guy has used and abused his friends, just to stay in the spotlight. Oh yeah, he's a GREAT Christian. Maybe he should go listen to some of his own lyrics. Also, anyone who says that this is all a lie and a conspiracy is also crazy. There is simply too much evidence to claim it is all lies. This is the msot disheartening news I have heard in a while. I mean, I have never liekd Stapp but even I didn't think he was quite this much of a jerkov. Also, for Goneblind... You have compeltely lost any chance of becoming a popular band, PERIOD. Tremonti did just about everything he could for you and you spurn him like this? If a band with as cruddy of morals and loyalty as that can get big (which heck, in this world is possible), I will go jump off a bridge. |
ditto.
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You know I never had a problem with with stapp doing Creed songs, because he was the voice of Creed, but if AB was doin them I would not like that. Since there was an agreement made though, it sucks. The more that comes out, the more stapp looks bad.
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if he was singing them a capella, it would be ok.
But since he got a pawn shop band to back him up, it isn't. |
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He might have been the voice, but the entirety of the instrumental parts were written by OTHER people, so yeah, if he wants to do a solo job (like to see him try and strum some chords, lol!) fine. But even without the agreement this is ridiculous, much less with it. |
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Stapp needs to get it: Creed is over!!! It's tottally absurd puts the Creed word after his signature in the end of a letter. It doenst make any sense???NO!!
What this guy really needs to do is a simple thing: just sing his own songs, not Creed songs.Period. By the way, "singing his own songs" part, of course means somewhat, ONLY IF HE RELEASES HIS CD SOMEDAY!!!!! :mad: Look, I'm still his fan, but I cant stand his recent attitudes or maybe... the lack of them... :rolleyes: |
mostly the lack of them...
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You know what? It seems that since day 1 of the Creed breakup, Mark has been talking shit on Stapp. Whether it was to ordinary Creed fans or to the media. Mark is not a saint and he is guilty of also adding fuel to the fire. Yes, Stapp and Gone Blind do need to explain themselves to Mark... however, I don't entirely blame Stapp for performing these songs. Stapp did the perfect thing to get back at Mark for all the shit talking he did. It makes sense. I think both of them are acting like immature rock stars. I don't believe that Stapp is as bad as Mark makes him out to be and likewise, I don't believe that it was right for Stapp to play Creed songs with Gone Blind.
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Chase,
And what are your thoughts on the all shit talking Stapp did to Mark, Brian and Flip ? It's easy to point biased fingers. |
Yes, but I don't think Stapp is carrying himself very well. If he wanted to show that he's the bigger man, that he has really changed, that he has matured, then he would have kept to the agreement and continued to say nothing but nice things about Flip, Mark and Brian. Scott says that he's been through a lot. I believe that and I feel bad for him about that. He says that he has refound his faith. I'm extremely happy to hear that, as a fellow Christian. He says that he has matured, but when he breaks an agreement like this, I can't believe that. I can't believe he's changed that much if he does this to Mark. If Mark said, "you know what. It's alright if you play Creed songs during your solo career," then I could completely understand Stapp deciding to perform those songs on tour. But what gets me is that he broke an agreement with Mark and, not only that, is being disrespectful to the rest of the members of Creed by doing the songs on tour.
Scott has carried himself extremely well in interviews, saying nothing but good things about his former bandmates. But by continuing on with his plan to perform Creed songs on tour despite Mark's protest and despite the agreement, he's carrying himself badly and it is a negative to his solo career. If Scott has enough solo songs written and completed, he needs to do those during his live show and he needs to win over new fans with his new songs. If Scott and Mark did not make that agreement, I would say that doing a Creed cover a show is fine, but because of the agreement, I can't say that. EDIT:I was replying to Chase's post, not Marcos. I don't want any confusion over that, lol. |
Ditto, Titan! ;)
Also, no one is "saint", but even though I'm still a Stapp fan, this guy is disapointing me a lot. And that is not about what Tremonti said, or Goneblind did, or Wind Up isnt doing, but is concerning WHAT Stapp is DOING. :mad: He's the only one person responsible for it. |
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And what about Brian Marshall talking shit on Eddie Vedder? I don't point any biased fingers? Accusing each of them of being guilty of the demise of Creed is not a biased opinion. The one who is probably least guilty of anything is Flip. You and I both know that 3/4 of Alter Bridge have been talking shit on Scott Stapp. It's documented fact. None of us were there during the falling out of Creed. It's also documented that Stapp had health problems. Stapp didn't handle himself professionally while his health was failing on the last Creed tour... but he did have problems. The rest of Creed knew that. They bailed on Stapp and started Alter Bridge. I hate to admit it, but Stapp has had a more positive impact on Tremonti, Marshall, and Flip... in terms of popularity and record sales than Myles Kennedy has had (thus far). I've said this before, I love Alter Bridge and Scott Stapp equally. However, Stapp is such an easy guy to crucify. He's had his problems. Yet, who hasn't had problems? But how is Mark Tremonti's rants about the evils of Scott Stapp make things better or make him look like the victim in Creed? It does quite the opposite. He's the one who left Stapp and he doesn't have to ever associate himself with Stapp again. Stapp gave Mark all sorts of praise in all of the post Creed interviews I've seen him conduct. So now he's sticking up for himself by playing Creed songs and breaking the "sacred" agreement that the two men had. I'm just telling it like it is... and I see two men who have brought this conflict to its boiling point... TOGETHER. |
It does take two to tango. I wouldn't say Stapp is the only one at fault here. But to me, it speaks volumes when Mark and Flip and Brian get together to create music without Stapp. It may be that Stapp lost interest in Creed. Who knows? Stapp may have wanted to go one way and Mark and the guys in a different way. If Stapp's album ever does come out, I wonder how silent he will be when the press keeps asking him questions about his old band. It's bound to come up. So far, he's been complimentary. The thing about supposedly breaking the agreement regarding the playing of Creed songs, though, is disheartening.
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Yeah, I agree with you, Dogstar. It will be interesting to hear how Scott responds to the constant questions about Creed and what caused the break-up when his CD is out. Even though both sides have sorta answered the break-up question, you know how the media is and you know they want dirt. They want Scott to say something bad about Mark, Brian or Flip and they want to see a controversy come out of that. I just hope Scott decides to take the high road with that and doesn't bad mouth the guys.
I also agree about the agreement. It's really sad that Scott has broken that agreement with Mark. Scott was carrying himself really well since the break-up, but then he went and did this. Even if he did it to "get back at Mark" it was still wrong, in my opinion, and it paints Scott in a bad light. |
alright.. i've been looking at these posts... and well... here's what i think
1. No one in Creed was completely Innocent. Mark, Scott, Flip, and Brian all had a part in the dispute. 2. Scott Stapp shouldn't Be Playing Creed Songs. Goneblind shouldn't be helping him. End Of Story 3. Mark may not being nice... but he's telling it like it is. 4. Stapp is in denial. 5. All the Christian stuff doesn't Need to be brought up here... 6. We Don't Have the Full story here... Mark Said there is more that he could say about stapp that he wishes not to bring up because HE DOESN'T WANT TO BASH STAPP. That leads me to believe that there was more to the break up on Stapp's part that no one is hearing about... |
I don't think that Stapp is in denial... I do, however, think that he handled himself the way he did to show that he wouldn't stoop to Tremonti's level of bashing. It felt weird seeing other guys play "Higher." But you have to remember that "Higher" was the song that put Creed into the elite of rock and from a marketing standpoint I can understand why he used that song as a promotion tool for his solo efforts. I didn't mind it so much on the radio tour that he did late last year, but seeing it performed on national television with the full band wasn't something that I wanted to see. He's only been playing "Higher" with the exception of "With Arms Wide Open" which was played once. I honestly don't foresee him playing a bunch of Creed songs when he goes on tour to support his new CD. I just think that he was trying to pull in the listeners who were familiar with Creed because they enjoyed "Higher." While I've thought that Tremonti's comments have been tacky and immature in the past, Stapp has gone down to that level. The two men may have had an agreement. But Tremonti's been ragging on Stapp since day 1, almost to the point where I feel like gagging. It's repetitive and childish. One thing that Stapp is infamous for is his temper. He probably said "Screw the agreement, I'm going to play what I want to play." Although I think it's wrong for him to exploit Creed's past for his own gain, I'm still not shocked that he withdrew the agreement after being attacked left and right. In fact, I'm surprised he hasn't been bashing the rest of the band in public in response to all of the negative criticism he's been getting.
One more thing, I don't think it's our place to judge Stapp's relationship with God either. Struggling Christians do things that they probably shouldn't do. But give the guy the benefit of the doubt when he says that he's trying his best to reconcile with God. Even Christians sin and mess up. I'm only defending Stapp because I feel that it's not right to say "That's not a very Christian thing to do... blah blah blah" because every Christian on the planet has sinned. His faith doesn't concern us, his music does. Bottom line: Stapp shouldn't be playing Creed songs and Tremonti needs to get the picture that just about everyone on the planet knows about why he hates Stapp. Neither of what they're doing is benefiting anybody. |
I agree with you, Chase, about Stapp concerning his faith. I do not feel like it is my place, as a Christian, to judge his actions in respect to his faith. Just because what he is doing is not a "very Christian" thing to do, it doesn't make him a bad Christian. Every Christian sins and Stapp is no different. Because he is famous, he is unfortunately harshly judged when he makes a mistake like this one or any of the mistakes he has made in the past.
As Christians, we aren't supposed to judge one another, or at least that's what I believe. There is only one person who should be judging us: God. So why judge Stapp, the Christian? It doesn't make sense to me. Judge him as an artist, but leave his spirituality out of it. Because, really, if we were in his shoes, would we want to be judged so harshly concerning our faith? I wouldn't. |
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That's just it!!!!! :bow2: |
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If you're going to accuse Scott Stapp of turning Creed into a "Christian band" because he wrote spiritual lyrics... then you're basically deeming other bands like Live and U2 as being Christian bands as well. |
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Well, Im not sure about who wrote really Creed songs, but is clear that (even though Creed in my opinion was not a Christian band) Stapp gave to the band a Christian outline even though after he denied it a lot of times. He clearly showed it in the lyrics using a large number of religious references, what was not a bad thing, Faceless man, for instance, is definitely a great song and its full of religion references.So we dont have a problem here. ;)
I can't understand why some people here are finding difficult to notice that. As for U2 (which is my first favorite band :D ) in my opinion they are not a Christian band either and they never were, even though Bono wrote a ton of lyrics refering to the spiritual things. :) |
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Uhm, I'm sorry, but I have to strongly disagree with you there. Did he turn Creed into a "Christian"(and, by the way, that label is WAYYYYYY overused) band by writing lyrics that did have some spirituality in them? If so, that means Bono turned U2 into a Christian band, Paul McCoy turned 12 Stones into a Christian band, Amy Lee turned Evanescence into a Christian band, Myles Kennedy(just by referencing God and Jesus in two songs) turned the Mayfield Four into a Christian band etc. See what I mean? If you're saying that Scott Stapp turned Creed into a "Christian" band by writing lyrics with varying degrees of spirituality in them(and not every Creed song has spirituality in it), then you might as well say many other musicians did the same to their respective bands. I have never heard Scott Stapp say that Creed was a "Christian" band. Nor did any of the other band members say that. Scott Stapp simply expressed himself in his lyrics and any good lyricist is supposed to do that. The lyrics are supposed to come from the heart and they are not supposed to be made up. |
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Meh. I love U2, and think they have some very Christian elements. I certainly don't think it was a problem that Creed had very Christian elements. I mean, anyone who has been to F&R knows I am a hugely devoted Christian and I definitely don't mind that flavor in my music. My problem was that he seemed to try to promote and deny that image at the same time, although like I have said before this was not all Stapp's fault, as much as I wouldn't mind it being. WU wanted to do the very same thing. They wanted Creed to be a Christianish band for the Bible belt and wanted them to be rockstars for everywhere else. That isn't all Stapp's fault. |
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