CHICAGO: Bottom Line to Scott
 

Here's the bottom line from a real (and realistic) Creed fan:

1) Scott screwed up MAJORLY. Drunkenly stumbing around the stage of a show that earned them hundreds of thousands of dollars is an undertaking in unspeakably bad taste.

2) Scott's actions on stage and his lack of apology (so far) is a huge slap in the face to all Creed fans. This sort of disrespect should not be tolerated by anyone -- much less Creed loyalists.

3) Scott may be having hard personal times, but that doesn't justify his actions. Chicago concertgoers should not have to pay great deals of money to see Stapp be overcome with his personal struggles -- and then not hear ANY kind of apology.


Scott:
Show a little bit of class and issue an appology. Issue refunds/free concert to Chicago fans to be completely ethical. If fans are so important to Creed, this one should have been a no-brainer.

This issue is still not resolved and should not be swept under the carpet. Creed fans take a lot of abuse from the general public, and we expect more from the lead singer of this band. Show that you value us -- show us respect, or you will slowly see the evaporation of the dedicated following you currently enjoy.

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- Nicholas Singh

I have to say I think you have alot of nerve judgeing Scott like this. The last time I checked, none of us are perfect and we all make mistakes. He is going through a tough time in his life and I think you should leave him alone. Everyone takes care of their problems in a different way. So if he had a bit too much to drink that is his business and the only ones he has to answer to are himself and God. He is a good man and when people slip up that doesn't mean anything. We are supose to accept eachother the way we are and not judge. Unless you personally know what is going on. I am not pretending I do but all I am saying is Back Off Him.




Bella:angel:

There seems to be two sides to the issue here:

(1) Some of us think that Scott is only human and made a mistake that we can forgive him for. We know he is having problems lately and realise that sometimes all those pressures can get on top of him.

(2) Some fans think that no matter what Scott is dealing with, he should never have allowed the show to go on like that. They say that there is no excuse for his behaviour.

Neither side is wrong. They are both just opinions. I don't want us to start bashing each other over which way some of us feel.

If we are to give Creed the support they need and deserve, we all need to be UNITED in our support. I think the words of my signature say it all.

They are the worst band in the world

I can't believe they are popular

They are atrocious.

He had a lot of nerve going on stage in front of thousands of people (who paid nearly a million dollars combined) completely drunk. There's no judgement there. He did it.

I don't disagree with you at all. And he made a huge (some would say historically bad) mistake. This is his job, and people paid a lot of money to see the band perform. If he goes on stage drunk, he shows a complete lack of respect for his fans, and should at LEAST apologize.

Not when he's performing to PAYING fans. This is a big deal.

I'm not judging him, hello! You can't disrepect someone and then not have someone call you on it. I'm pointing out a fact -- if you found his behaviour acceptable, then something is wrong.

If he would have appologized, I wouldn't be writing this post. But the point is, he hasn't, and everyone is acting as if it's ok. It's NOT okay!

Why is this so difficult to understand?

btw, someone ban Siren.

Creed is an incredible band, but this situation needs to be rectified by Scott.

Thanks.

"Incredible?"

BWAHAHAHAAHAAAHAA!!!!

How old are you? Seriously.

"He doesn't like Creed, ban him! WAHHHH!!! WAAAAHHHH!!" :crying:

Creed sucks.

good plan

I'm 23 and an Electrical Engineering/Quantum Physics graduate student.

And yes, I think Creed is a great band. Many people agree. Some don't.

People don't want to ban you because you don't like Creed, they just know what your intentions are. Who do you think you're fooling?

Go DAN!!!!!! :lol: :clap:

I think one of the reasons some people don't like Creed is that they only hear their radio singles.

They don't represent the totality of Creed's music in ANY sense of the word. I think most Creed fans agree this to be the case. There is much more depth the Creed than meets the radio ear.

Absolutely. The radio singles don't really do them justice.

Yeah that and the fact that noone will give them a chance

The only people that matter are us - the ones that support them! Just listen to Bullets and What If and you will see that they know the bashers are just jealous and uninformed.

true people come in w/ their own conclusions abou their music without really listening

exactly so pathetic because everyone has abit of creed in them

Well said, velocity! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! You said it all.

I do also agree to some extent with Bella. Yet I think if she was at the concert she musta been in the nose bleed section with no clue on what really happened. Not judge him? We paid to see him he owed us someting here! Yes he is human, no we cant send him to heaven or hell . But we can send the message how we felt about the show? ;) I think the judging thing is highly over rated. LOL LOL

Do I hate creed now? No, of course not.
Before the concert I think too many people worshiped Scott and the way he sung drew people in to being more spiritual. I guess the 29th show did however show us how weathered his spirit is now.
Too much importance was on Scott ,, for me at least.... I thought of him as this wonderful, good looking, person that had a chance to move people with the words and the sound of his voice. I think my husband is glad I am not so in awe over him now ;)

LOL, Ronda about your hubby ;). I think even Scott is trying to take the focus off him so much. At the Philly show, he pointed a lot at Mark, Flip and Brett and motioned the crowd to applaud.

Well, he still needs to do SOMETHING about that "performance." I'm very suprised some fans are just taking the abuse and not saying anything.

WOW..some of these remarks are so self indulgent it is not even worth my time to remark. It hasn't even been one week. ONE bad night - I feel sorry for family and friends of people with this attitude.....

Self-indulgent? Give me a break... Think of it this way:

You spend $200+ to attend a Creed concert in Chicago. After waiting for hours to get a good place, and after waiting another hour or two for Creed to come on stage, you're treated to a drunken, stumbling Scott Stapp who spends most of the time sitting, lying down, or trying to keep his balance -- all while slurring his words.

This was very disrespectful to the fans. No self-respecting person would just walk out of the arena without feeling cheated and very disrespected.

And we've heard nothing from Scott yet. At the VERY least I expected an apology. What he should have done is issue a complete refund or schedule a fan appreciation concert. None of those things have been done yet.

Now, I know what you're going to say: "Just leave Scott alone you self-indulgent pig!"

No! I will not sweep this under the carpet. Self-indulgent? What are you talking about? Quit thinking ONLY about Stapp for one second and think of the loyal fans (including myself) that came from far-and-wide, and paid the band around a $1,000,000.00 for that one "show" in Chicago. Scott may be having problems, and I am very supportive and sympathetic, but this behavior is horribly rude, disrespectful, unethical and immoral.

I'm calling it like it is, people -- don't be a spineless drone and just take it.

Nicholas F. Singh

Velocity, were you the one who organized that great drive for all the letters and e-mails of support for Scott when he was having voice troubles? If so, I can't believe you would turn on him that quickly. Yes, you have every right to be pissed off, mortified and disgusted with his disrespectful actions that night, but I would think you at least would give the man a chance to apologize and announce some sort of makeup show before you give up on him. I hasn't even been a week. Granted, an apology would be better sooner than later, but let's see what happens first.

And what exactly is it that you want people who suffered at that show to do when you say don't be spineless drones and *just take it*?

chicago show?...

the dead horse has been beaten to dust. Congradulations.

PPL Weve HEARD ENOUGH OF CHICAGO SHOW, THERES LIKE 2000 THREADS ABOUT IT!@ STOP BEATING THE DEAD HORSE AND START MOVING ON WITH YOUR LIVES!!!!!

Yes, I did organize that drive. In fact, I just shipped out the over 400 messages of support! Again, I'd like to thank everyone that contributed to the cost of my shipping bill.... hehe 8^)

I have not "turned against Scott." He disrespected fans greatly that one night and I am very hurt that he hasn't said anything about it yet.

As for "giving him a chance": I fully expected him to at least mention something at the Philly show. But nothing was said. An apology could have easy been issued via CreedINKs mailing list, but nothing was said. Hence, 1 day ago, I began to post some messages about the lack of anything being said.

As for my "just take it" comment, I'm was talking about how some of us fans just spinelessly go along with *whatever* happens -- just because it's Scott Stapp. Do you guys agree it was extremely disrespectful of him to do this without an apology, irregardless of his personal troubles?

If Scott has not issued any kind of apology more than a week after the show, I kind of doubt he will.

But anyway, I expect much more from Creed (Stapp) than from any other band, and I hold them to a higher standard. And when that standard is ever discarded without the respect of an apology, I'm going to say something about it.

X, I am with you. This is getting old. Yawn.....

What did you expect him to say in Philly? "I'm sorry to all the Chicago fans, boy was I a drunken idiot back there."??

Abuse. You speak about it like it's a personal attack.

I don't believe there is a single person on this board who disagrees with you. But take it up with WindUP, CreedINK or Jeff Hanson Management. We are sick to death of it.

I mean NO disrespect to you Chicago fans. I have repeatedly said that. I am saying it agan. Yes you were screwed, yes, you were cheated and yes, you all have every right to be pissed, but we can't do anything to make you feel better. You need to contact someone who may have that power.

This is find unfair. Why should they be held to higher standard than some other band? And I disagree that you aren't turning on Scott Stapp. It hasn't been a week since the show. It was on Sunday; today is Friday, do the math.

Well, sorry you didn;t like that word,,,just seemed to flow from the feelings in these posts. Yes, it's sad, it's frustrating, disappointing to say the least...but, the endless, immediate expectations and those that want to 'crucify' Scott are just, well... I have had lots of FRIGGIN DISAPPOINTMENTS too in life that have a monetary value, if that is how you VALUE things. I have learned that life is not fair, but I have always stood with integrity by those that have given to me....and I have no reason now to change my feeling - you , of course have your own experience from attending the show.

And, how can you have a STANDARD for one, that isn;t a standard for another...what kind of unfairness and just LOOKING for a fault does that imply?!

Point taken, but I find it very hard to believe that any kind of apology is going to be issued a week after the concert -- it wouldn't make much sense, would it?

If Scott was so concerned about disrespecting the fans, he would have apologized immediately. Wouldn't you?

I am concerned about Scott and I sympathize with his struggles. But he needs to be sympathetic to his fans, too!

AMEN! THANK YOU TERIB19 AND DOGSTAR!!

Very good point! I wonder how people's feelings would be if the Chicago show had been free. Would people still be as pissed off if they went to a free show and it sucked?

everyone! Lets all FORGET THIS AND MOVE ON WITH OUR LIVES!!!!

excellent idea, thanks....going to put in Staind and listen to "Outside"...:)

Take it up with Wind-up PLEASE!!!! We all know how pissed you all are but enough is enough, give the guy a chance to breathe and really think about an apology, you don't want a half assed one right away do you?

Plese... people... its over... let us stop beating the dead horse, its already been beaten into dust

Anyway, the Chicago fans know the conflicting feelings I have right now. My points are very valid and should not be swept under the rug at the expense of "feeling good" about Creed.

And yes, we can put the thread to rest -- just don't keep replying to me and not expect me to give you my opinion.

Anyway, as for that package of 400+ messages I was talking about... I told everyone that contributed that I'd notify them when the package was mailed out. Well, I have all these messages in my outlook box, and i want to reply to them in one mass message. Anyone have any idea what I can do? I can't just hit "reply" to each person -- would take me hours!

What about a special thread on BB to notify people that they were sent...for different sites.