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http://www.pluggedin.com/music/track...-Overcome.aspx

I was surfing the web and came across this article. This may not be a big deal, but it makes me a little mad to keep seeing all of this misinformation come out about Creed. The article states that they use the phrase "I'll be damned" in Overcome, when it's in fact "I'll be dammed." The reviewer also made it sound like Creed consistently uses profanity in their lyrics, when they don't. It may not be a bad idea to send a quick email to them asking them to change the article, because it could cause a large number of Christian people to not buy the album. Just my thoughts.

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you do know that their NOT a christian band right?

if christian people aren't gonna buy the album because of one line in a song, well than that is just stupid. christian music is the biggest joke in the music world, every song is about jesus which is fine but the way they word the lyrics its just so lame, anyone could start a christian band and make a ton of money.

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The less the christian community is interested in this the better, imo. No more "creed is a christian band".

As you can tell, I'm not a very religious person.

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I'll be damned" in Overcome, when it's in fact "I'll be dammed."


Can somebody please explain to me why they word it "I'll be dammed." Most people are going to conclude that Stapp is saying I'll be damned"

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[quote=creediscool17]you do know that their NOT a christian band right?

if christian people aren't gonna buy the album because of one line in a song, well than that is just stupid. christian music is the biggest joke in the music world, every song is about jesus which is fine but the way they word the lyrics its just so lame, anyone could start a christian band and make a ton of money.[/QUOTE

I'm a christian, but I agree that a lot of the music is always talking to "you" (which could be Jesus or your gf). I think there are good christian bands out there, but a lot of the music is weak.

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Please relax people. It's unlikely this review is going to make a difference. Also, keep in mind that it is one person's point of view. The website does not speak for the 1 billion Christians in the world.

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I know that Creed isn't a Christian band. I just don't like all of the misinformation that gets put out about Creed. This guy makes it sounds like Creed is some kind of an evil band. This isn't a huge deal by any means, but there are some parents that won't let their kids listen to music that has profanity in it. And the person who wrote this article misled a lot of people.

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Sorry, I don't personally know creed.

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The official lyrics are "I'll be dammed," not "I'll be damned." Passion Breeds Followers has the official lyrics on their site. It means "I'll be held back fighting you." It isn't any kind of a curse word, which was what I was pointing out. But yeah, I will admit that they cursed at the end of "What's This Life For?"

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Thanks for the link. I thought Overcome got higher than 10 on billboard mainstream rock, maybe not. I liked the part where it says Overcome is about determination amid dissolution, that is a good description of this excellent song. Too bad many christian review sites worry a bit too much about lyric content when certainly in this case they shouldn't. I wonder if more christian music sites will even check Creed song's out. Probably not.

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Stapp has finally admitted to actually being a 'christian' & a peace with his faith now so this isn't a surprise. I don't see it being bad either, it's just more exposure for the band.

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Thanks For posting Peace Be Wit,em i dont think at all they misunderstand The VERSE For No Thought Nor Supplication Is Hid From God And through out creeds music you can always hear the ups the downs the anger and the saving grace of situtions were most sterotype christians jars of clay mabey have not entered ya,alls PEACE BE WIT YA AGAIN and thanks for posting that review :rockon:

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Well said Nag

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I knew from the title that there would be some really long posts in this thread!

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I hate the fact that Creed is labeled a so called "Christian" band. Just because the lead singer has spiritual beliefs and in his lyrics they are a Christian band? Not one Christian station plays thier music. It has been said many time before that Tremonti and the guys just wanted to be in rock band...its a shame that alot of people won't buy the new record and give it a listen because they are labeled Christian band..thats the world we live in. Look at a band like Avenged Sevenfold, those guys get flack all the time because they all grew up Catholic and thier lyrics have "some" spiritual meaning from the Bible.

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There are a lot of different ideas about "Christian" out there. The camps I used to participate in - they divided humanity into "the saved" and "the lost".
If you agreed with them, you were "saved", if you didn't you went on the prayer list. (And in some camps long ago you might get burned at the stake.)

I don't feel that the members of Creed see human beings as belonging to one camp or the other - more like One oh One the Only Way is One. Christ did say he came to bring division (yep I gotta verbatim verse but I'll spare you) - and so he does. But after the crucifixion it's all about One New Man, "one oh one the only way is one", find a way to connect with other people, rather than assert your dominance with your superior spirituality.

What the heck does "Spiritual" mean anyway??? Are there men with no spirit? I think if they are breathing, they are Spiritual. Spirit, same word as Breath in scripture.

Sometimes Christian means the security of being in a group where everyone has agreed to agree with everyone else. Ironically the real Greek meaning of the word translated "church" in the NT is "called out". Outside the camp/group/etc. But you can go in and out after you come out, John 10.

I am grateful to Creed as they helped me wake up to what I was about "in spiritual terms". I was not ready for anything any "heavier" at the time. I remember feeling ANXIOUS because he said "gd" in WTLF. I lived in a very small world, nearly everything was off limits. (Yet I was forced to deeply get to know the little world I was in - and you can find out everything that way too - maybe the only way, to be locked in your own prison for a while until you are ready - "are you ready" - to Come Out - when called.)

Now I enjoy so many things with new eyes - I don't give Creed all the glory, lol, but they helped me A LOT and I'm SO GLAD they have reconciled with one another. I cannot be worried about whether they are popular or not - let them that have ears put them to good use - they are certainly gifted music and dramatic experience makers whatever you think about whatever doctrine you think may be implied.

Is Marilyn Manson a Christian band? He went to Christian schools. He performed Your Own Personal Jesus - I think Depeche Mode wrote it. Someone to hear your prayers, someone who cares. Pretty spiritual if you ask me. People who have not plumbed their own depths (nice way to say SHALLOW PEOPLE) evaluate others the same way, without really listening and thinking and caring. According to your faith be it into you.

My .02 worth. (I believe that expression is actually from the bible, the widow's two mites - can't prove it.)

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I think that Creed isn't a Christian band, but I don't think they have a problem with being seen that way, because it seems to be a huge market over there in the States.

The lyrics are very suggestive at times. And also doing things like filming the Don't Stop Dancing video in what appears to be a church, probably doesn't help the argument that they aren't 'in any way a Christian band' because although in some respects it might be just seen as an interesting setting, in other respects it would be seen as something suggestive of being Christian, like it or not.

I think that although Creed and their fans can say they aren't Christian 'til the cows come home, I don't think in the band's own mind they don't mind being suggested about that way, because it's a very popular market, and with them also being hits in the pop and rock markets, they'd only need a bit of honky tonk from Mark on guitar to cover Country and for Flip to break out some beats and Scott to rap about his bitches and ho's (in a Christian friendly way), then they'd have covered all markets...

It's a very unique position to be in, appealing to so many people for many different reasons.

But on the point of this review, I thought it was 'damned' to be honest...it would suggest that it's 'damned'...'I'll be damned fighting you...'....'I'll be dammed fighting you' makes no sense to me. But either way it's a ridiculous argument that you shouldn't go get a top song because of the word.

I've never been in a Christian set of boots, neither do I swear excessively, but that's just what I think.

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In the DSD video it's dark as pitch in that church, and at the end they step out into the light if I recall. But I agree that whatever may attract people to their art, go for it. I would not listen to them for a couple of years because I thought they were a "christian band". And others will not listen to anything "secular". No wonder the poor blighters have a hard time.

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Loved reading your post, shunammite. I always liked the DSD video, thought it was well made and they do step out to the light at the end. I still agree with those that say Creed will be overlooked for the most part by the christian market. Like Evanescence was too, they won't be played in those markets anyway. So I do like the infrequent reviews by christian sites of their work. :) I don't know if I agree with Creve altogether, if Creed wants to be accepted by the christian market at any level remains to be seen.

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I disagree. I think the fact that Creed was labeled a "Christian band" helped them sell many more records then they would've otherwise. I don't believe that very many people refuse to listen to music from Christian bands. 75% of Americans claim to be Christians, and 90% believe in God. It's only the hard core athiests that won't listen to Creed. There's a huge market for Christianity, as you can see with the success of "The Passion of the Christ." I know that Creed is not a Christian band, but I think the misconception that they were a Christian band helped them sell more records than they would've otherwise.

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I agree>

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It's been a long time since I have posted here, but I thought I would get in on this. I remember going on a mission trip one summer, listening to Creed. Someone said something about them being a Christian band, and I said, "no, they're not a Christian band. They use certain themes and ideas, and they write about things that I think a lot of people struggle with. They write about what they know." And I explained Stapp's strict upbringing. I mean the reason I connected with Creed was because around the same time I had some of the same questions and feelings that Creed's lyrics bring up. But the one point I made, and it was something Stapp said during an interview with one of my local radio station's, Christian music is about pushing God, and Creed has never pushed God. Never said you should believe in God. They just allude to their beliefs, and struggles in their music. Writers (no matter what they are writing) write about what they know. They write about life. This is what Creed has done, and I'm surprised that so many people miss this point. I am a Christian, but I do not worship God with their music, that is not the intention, but I am reminded of my struggles, my questions, my beliefs, thoughts, feelings, etc.
I know this is a long post, but man I felt like typing tonight!

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good post^

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While I somewhat agree with you, Icedmofo, you really shouldn't be judging people's grammar. Your sentences are riddled with grammatical errors.

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Welcome Back Shiver your post was simple and was easy to read I give it An A + i,ve read longer way longer and post indeed there is a struggle inside us all some where but he that dwells us overcame the world peace be with ya and big thank ya for your :2cents:

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Amen. (lol)

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I, now, have 1,137 posts. I'm not a troll. Nor, do I play World of Warcraft.

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I am a member of the Christian "community". How do you benifit from attacking people of faith?

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He said "Christian community".

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Thank you. I wasn't attacking 'people of faith', eusebioCBR.

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When you deride the "Christian community" you are attacking, NAGPO.

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Is it just me or when he said Christian Community, surely he meant...a community of Christian people, ie. Christian people. What is offensive about that?

I am a member of the design community because I'm a designer. I'm a member of the CreedFeed community because I am a member here and post here. There's nothing wrong with that choice of wording.

And I feel that he was just stating that, in his opinion, it would be better if Christian people weren't so associated with Creed because then there would be less focus on them being 'Christian' or not. Because he's tired of that tag on a band that are apparently not a Christian band. There was nothing derogative towards Christian people in that.

Personally, I'm a bit tired of all the labelling that we as people have some divine need to do in the first place.