Another Stapp update
 

This was posted at PBF yesterday, and I thought it was of interest. So here it is:

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Today Kiki passed on a few things to update you guys with.

He said that of course they're in the studio, they're in the process of building a new studio and moving in to it, so that's what's keeping them busy right now. The album is TENTATIVELY due in August. I stress the tentative nature of it - very few things are for certain in this industry.

Another thing on the agenda is Scott's going to take a couple of days soon and shoot a commercial for NASCAR. They don't have an air date for it yet, they'll probably sit on it for a couple of months until they know which song is going to be the lead single off Scott's album, then they'll lay that in. We'll try to keep you updated on that!

Finally, keep an eye on SS.com, it's supposed to be receiving at least a small update soon, though that ball is in WU's court right now so who knows how long it'll take them to get their act together.

So that's the scoop for the moment. Sorry there's not more details but I don't think there's a whole lot you can say about "We're in the studio."
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Some new stuff in there. The album is scheduled for August. It's good that they finally put a month up. And, Scott's site is supposed to receive a update. That's another good thing. The nascar commercial sounds interesting as well.

Okay, so we went from August of '04 to November of '04 to Feb/March of 05 to June of '05, to TENTATIVELY August of 0 fricken 5. Good Lord, Stapp, get your sh*t together! Or, all this "tentative" crap is going to end up getting your sh*t ruined. I'm 19 now, so I'll come back in 10 years to see if MAYBE you've gotten the second song produced yet.

This has "Chinese Democracy" written all over it. Thanks for the info, though, titan.

I hope it doesn't. I'd like to think that Stapp and Wind-Up will stick to their word about when it comes out. If not, it's going to disappoint alot of fans, myself included. I've stuck by Stapp and I'll continue to do so as long as he puts some music out.

It just seems as if he keeps finding other things to take up his time. It's getting a tad frustrating, especially when there are so few details.

You said a mouthful. It's sad to say this, but these delays aren't helping, they are only hurting his chances of keeping those fans that want to believe in him. The longer they put people off, the better his solo stuff better be.

I agree, Dogstar. I'd like to see more information, and, if some songs are done, some clips posted on the site. As I've said before, why can't Stapp write a little diary for his site, keeping all of his fans up to date on what he is doing? It sure would please alot of fans. I don't know if it's Stapp getting distracted, or if it is really taking this long to record an album. But the bottom line is that he needs to get that CD out by the end of this year. Any later than 2005 will be a huge mistake on his part, and could cost him alot of fans. I've tried to remain positive about his solo career, but I admit, I'm a bit frustrated with there being no new sound clips and hardly any updates. I'm also frustrated that this album keeps getting delayed.

I'm sorry to say this but I agree. Dates are getting pushed back and we are not seeing much produced. One only has to look at how fast the AB guys pushed out an album to see how it can be done if the creative juices are flowing. I wish the best for Scott and his work but I'm not too hopeful.

actually, i think it is quite the opposite...the fans that REALLY do believe in what he is capable of are the ones that WILL be here long after the rest have given up.


As for "putting people off"...ummm...don't think so, but again, that's just my opinion. The entertainment business is not an exact science...and situations change daily for one reason or another...

the best is yet to come...whether the majority believe it or not, their choice...but information of any kind on how things are going is always appreciated... :D

:smokin: cool :D

Well I'm sure you'll all be happy together. But I'm reminded of a local commercial for a furniture company. A young woman who just purchased furniture is sitting in a chair waiting for the furniture to be delivered. As the commercial progresses, she gets older (through the magic of television) and older until she's an old woman waiting in a rocking chair with cobwebs on her. The announcer says through the whole commercial: It should be any day now, any day now, any day now.

My point is, the longer it takes, the more likely it is that some (not all) will lose interest and move onto other things. They are less likely to run out and buy his new CD, and are more likely to wait until they either see a review or read about it on a message board. If you don't keep things fresh in the public's mind, the public is likely to forget about you.


Information is one thing, patronizing news from 'official sources,' such as Kiki, is something totally different.

I agree, Teri. Scott NEEDS to get this album out this year. Any later than that could cost him alot of fans. I've stuck by his music, but even I'm getting impatient. We need to hear some track clips, maybe even some video of him in the studio recording? We also need a FIRM date for his solo album. Not a "tenative" date. As I've said before, some web site updates would be nice as well. The longer this album takes, the more fans that could be lost. That's the bottom line.

Holy frick. That dang thing is never going to come out.
About freaking time. It hasn't been updated in year. :mad:


H-D :pimp:

You know what...nevermind...it's just not worth it.

Michael's news usually had something specific noted, like guitar tracks being laid down, vocals being completed, preview sessions for select people, or concert date updates, and that sort of thing.

In Kiki's note did it not say something about his filming a NASCAR commercial? Granted, I'm sure an artist isn't working 24/7 on only a music project, but still, these diversions take him away from what he supposedly says he wants to do.

And why is a new studio needed in the first place? This is the same thing GnR (Axl, I should say) kept pulling with Geffen Records regarding Chinese Democracy, changing studios, producers, band lineups...The whole tone of that note from Kiki (TENTATIVELY in caps, for example) suggests that August might even be a tad optimistic. We all know nothing in the music biz is an exact science, but if you really want to get something out, you can, especially if you already have a label.

Asked by who? If Scott were a priority, they would have updated it long ago.

Exactly, Frankie...it will never matter what stapp does, or what information comes out about his project, specific or non-specific. if people really are interested, they will find their way to a more condusive environment.

This is an Alter Bridge board, the only reason this forum is here, as far as i can tell is to make it APPEAR that equal time is being given, or for those FEW that have the ability to enjoy the possibilities of BOTH stapp and Alter Bridge.....

Wow, what a statement. If Stapp ever produces anything for us to talk about, other than statements from his buddies, maybe there would be more talk in the Stapp forum.

As for Michael, there are many of us who've actually MET and TALKED with the man regarding the things AB are and will be doing. Who among us has met Kiki and can vouch for his word?

I could care less about the details of all the matters, i'm just gonna repeat what is on everyone else's mind too, Scott Stapp NEEDS to come out with something soon. Not for the fact that he will lose any fans, but he is just a great singer, and i'm ready for some new stuff. Rock On Scotty!!!!

Oh but there has been something that Stapp has produced, and they were talked about. Funny thing is...those threads were closed. Locked down because NOTHING that Stapp ever does is talked about here in a positive fashion. In fact, the 3 pages of threads in this forum, 5 of them are locked. They started out ok, but they all turned to crap within hours of being posted.

There are more threads here asking about "when oh when", "where is Stapp", "how much longer" "I'm getting tired of waiting", "what's the word on Stapp and his cd". Well, you got your info...and lo freakin behold, it's not good enough. In fact, because Kiki didn't pass that info along to someone in person....it's patronizing and a lie??????? Is that what your trying to say???

:wtf:

If he's lost you as fan because he didn't come out with the music you've been waiting for...when YOU want it, then he's just lost you as a fan. But damn, to come out here and just rip every thread to hell and back everytime some info (ANY info) is posted is almost like it's being done on purpose.

I know that as someone who does not like Stapp very much (/understatement), yet is still interested in what he could put out thanks to his work in Creed, he is definitely losing my interest.

So you can say, "what does that matter, you hate Stapp anyway", but in truth, ANYONE who is not a die-hard Scott Fan has to be annoyed. I certainly couldn't care less about his album now, and I know a few people who were actually looking FORWARD to it who now don't even know when its scheduled to come out, because they have lost all interest.

Stapp apparently thinks he has a huge undying fanbase that will stay with him no matter what. Contrary to semi-popular belief, this isn't TRUE. Not only does he have a very LIMITED fanbase, but the more popular Alter Bridge gets, it seems the more people forget about Stapp. A few of my creed-loving friends were equally excited about AB and Stapp and now they have almost forgotten about him because while AB tours the world, Stapp is *seemingly* sitting on his butt doing nothing.

NO ONE that didn't like Creed liked Scott Stapp. NO ONE. So basically, his fanbase AS OF NOW comes entirely from Creed fans, and it isn't like they don't have anywhere else to turn. Scott is really dropping the ball here and I'm not sure why no one around him is giving him a kick in the pants, saying "get your act together".

I'm not saying this as a Stapp basher. If I wanted to bash him I could do it much mroe thoroughly. I'm saying, for his OWN GOOD, he needs to get some stuff out SOON.

And ctfan, the reason the info is getting ripped is because--as far as I can see--everytime new Stapp info gets posted, its always ANOTHER FRIGGIN DELAY. Now, I am no Stapp fan so when I see this I kidna just chuckle and move on. I can't wait to hear what he has in mind for his solo album, but its more from a curiosity point of view than a "I think this is gonna rock" point of view. But if you LIKE Stapp, wouldn't you be getting friggin ANNOYED?

Am I wrong here? I mean, when even titan9 admits he is getting annoyed, Stapp has to be doing something VERY dumb. As others has said, you CAN get a record out a lot faster than this. It isn't like they are moving as fast as they can.

Yes, I am getting a little annoyed. I'm just annoyed at this situation, the fact that we are not getting the updates that we deserve. Where are the updates to Stapp's site? Where are some clips of what he's, so far, got recorded? As you all know, I've been a Stapp supporter and will continue to be. But I want to hear the new music. Scott is one of my favorite singers, and I want to hear more from him. Relearn Love is a good song, and I like it alot, but I want to hear more new songs from Scott. I'm getting annoyed that the new stuff keeps getting delayed, whether that's Scott's fault or Wind-Up's fault, it doesn't really matter. Not all of Scott's fanbase is going to stick with him. The longer the album takes to make, the more fans that lose interest and leave Scott. If he waits long enough, all that's going to be left are his diehard fans, and, unfortunately, I don't think he has alot of those fans. Keep in mind, I am not bashing Scott. I'm one of those diehard fans who will stick with his music no matter what. All I'm saying is that, if he wants this solo career to be a success, he needs to put out the music and do so as quickly as possible. If we're going to compare, Alter Bridge put out an excellent album in less than a year. Scott's taking, what, over a year to put out an album. What if Alter Bridge puts out their second album before Scott puts out his first? How is that going to look to the non-diehard fans? Not very good. My whole point is that he needs to get this album out, and do it by the end of 2005. Any later will hurt his career.

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ya know, uncertain drummer....i guess that would depend on the person, now wouldn't it?...everyone is different.

Everyone that is interested in what stapp has to offer is anxious to hear what he has to offer, just that some of us are more patient than others...and at the end of the day, i would rather have quality...and that kind of music and writing can't be done ON DEMAND, whether it is from the fans or the label, that's just not how the process happens if it is expected to retain a modicum of integrity. Granted, there are many out there that will do it that way...cookie cutter music, sounds the same as everybody else music...not what i care to listen to.

So what if stapp is taking his time...instead of raggin' on the guy for it, try and learn some understanding...and realize that everyone of you that are so "upset" that you are not getting what you want NOW will be the first in line to buy tickets when you get something that was worth the wait.

fact is the band that was to become AB cared enough about their fans to have someone giving DETAILS of what, where and with who they were doing it, since the search for a singer until album post-production.

Stapp setting up a studio... alright, that's cool... but how long is it taking? Creed set up a home studio for HC and Weathered within weeks... the problem is... how focused Stapp is in his solo career?

AB worked hard and non-stop to get their stuff done. Stapp seems to be slacking.

And it hurts me to say this, coz I'm really interested in what Stapp will bring for us.
But the way it's going... it leaves me with doubts.

Scott still has to take advantage of people remembering Creed. Soon most non-die hard fans will forget about it. From "Stapp, lead singer from Creed" he's becoming "Scott who? oh! right... that guy from Creed".

Which was my point exactly. The longer that Scott waits to put out this album, the less people who will remember him and be anxious to hear what he puts out. I understand that it takes a while to create an album, but if Alter Bridge can do it in less than a year, why can't Scott? It just seems as if there are alot of delays with him actually recording the album. Up until recently, weren't Scott and Goneblind in the pre-recording phase? Why has it taken Scott this long to actually record the songs? That's what I am wondering, and I am sure alot of other fans wonder about that as well. Again, don't take this as me bashing Scott. I'm a huge fan of his, just as I am a huge fan of Alter Bridge. I'll buy Scott's solo album no matter what, even if it comes out in 2008. But not all fans are that understanding, that willing to wait for one album. Not all fans are as patient as the diehard Stapp fans are. I've tried to be patient and positive about his solo album, but the more and more it gets delayed, the harder and harder it becomes for me(and other fans, I'd assume) to stay patient and positive.

Let's called this thread...."Stapp and the neverending album" :roll: :roll: :roll:
Stapp cracks me up....


You are rite Uncertaindrumer...Ab is touring Europe now....the third time since september...and they will come back for Festival all around Europe in June. I dont think Stapp than even do half of what Ab are doing rite now when he releases his album....if he does finally.

I think when he does tour, it will not be as much as AB. That's not because he's lazy, but rather because he has a son and his a single father. Obviously, his son is going to play a role in how much he tours. I think I've heard him say(and I'm not 100% sure about this) that he only wants to tour during the Summer months. That's understandable, as he could take Jagger with him during the summer, if he chose to do that. So, if he doesn't tour as much as AB, it's not because he's lazy or doesn't care about his fans. It's most likely because of his personal life.

^^^^^Yeah,yeah...again with the son excuse..i listen to this excuse many times. I dont believe his son would be the reason for him to dont tour as much as AB :syncdance

I don't think it's an excuse, and I think that would be one of the main factors, based on what Scott has said in some of his interviews. Obviously, he doesn't favor touring all the time and puts his son and his family above his career. If he does just a summer tour, that's alright and understandable. At least in my opinion it is.

then... he needs to rush, record and release his album before summer and not late august. otherwise he'll tour only in 2006, which is a good excuse to push his album back, again.

True, Marcos. He needs to get the album done.

Anyone remember last spring when Scott was doing the TV Talk show tour about his upcoming project with 7 Aurealis? Remember, he said it would be a mix between rock and stuff that would make your 15's go thump in the back?? I do. I remember it was a year ago. I remember it was back when he swore Creed was just taking a break. Now, here it is a year later. My 15's still aren't thumping. However, I have seen Alterbridge twice. And they were awesome. Fresh.

I KNOW that Stapp has the potential to rock my world with his live performance. I KNOW that he has incredible stage presence, and I KNOW that I'd like to hear some new stuff from him. But I have to agree with uncertaindrummer in that his Creed fanbase (again, some, not all) will start to dwindle with time. And the longer he takes in producing some product, the farther back in our minds he'll go. And I do agree, it's probably going to end up like "Scott who? Oh, that guy from Creed."

I hope it doesn't end up like that, but, sadly, I've realized that it's a possibility. If Scott could just put that album out within the next few months, it would shut everyone(including myself) up about the lack of new material. As you said, when Scott releases the new stuff and goes on tour, he has the potential to be awesome. But he has to release the CD first. When Creed broke up, I viewed it in a positive light that now we're gonna get twice the amount of great music. Alter Bridge has already delivered and now it's Stapp's turn. And I know that when he does put the CD out, it's gonna rock.

No Stephen, you're right!! It's quite obvious: Stapp needs to give us something ! He needs to came out with some stuff !!Relearn Love is the only thing in amost a year!.. And he's still pre-recording the songs!It seems he' not focusing in his solo career, and I can't think what he means...
He seems totally lost...
Yeah, you know I'm a Stapp's die-hard fan, but I am getting annoyed too... :mad:

Well good, because if diehard Stapp fans WEREN'T getting annoyed I would have to proclaim you insane, lol. I know that if I were to switch positions (put AB in Scott's place and vise versa) I would be PULLING MY HAIR out with how mad I would be at Tremonti.

Fortunately for me I don't have to worry about that, but the point remains the same.

Scott has to come out with an album before he has no fans left.

This is getting to be bad. A year later and still nothing. And I don't buy the "taking the time to produce quality music" argument. Creed shelled out their music fairly quickly. And I think everyone here would say that Creed's music wasn't crap, even if it were written fairly quickly.

Exactly, Steve. Like I said...Chinese Democracy.

The Stapp neverending album...i agree with Kerri.

Yeah, personally, I've just given up hope.

:hugs: :dancing: :hugs: I think good things come to those who wait! I also will NEVER give up on Scott. I always got the impression that Scott is a perfecionist, and he wants to give his fans better than his best. I for one really enjoyed his song: "Relearn Love". I think the wait will only sweeten the deal when his new CD comes out. I think it will be like an old beloved lost friend, those old feelings will come rushing back pounding in your heart, and in your head. It will be like we were never apart!!!