need quick help with creed's numbers

[aussiecreeder]

okay i am in a middle of a debate and i need help real quick! please help me! :)

i am fairly sure Creed's touring numbers in the middle of their Weathered tour were very big and second only to DMB in the US that year. Can somebody give me a list of artists and their touring numbers for that time showing Creed's postion? This is quite urgent......thanks!

[hayley]

I can't help you there sorry, creed.com has very useful information on touring and concerts though (and I must say, that's about it) :laugh:

[aussiecreeder]

thats okay i'm sure i found this info and i can't find it anymore!

[hayley]

Oh that sucks

You needed it for a debate? What do you mean, what happened? lol

[aussiecreeder]

Oh that sucks

You needed it for a debate? What do you mean, what happened? lol

its a debate over at the PJ board about the biggest stay at home band! This one guy is argueing that Creed is and I said it is DMB and Phish. I said that Creed were second in touring numbers and he said they were nowhere to be seen. We were both wrong, they were no.8 which is still very impressive. Anyhow its a fun debate and you can come and look (and maybe even defend Creed) at http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55857 thread is 3 pages long at the moment......

[hayley]

Thats quite interesting

But what a hard board to read :eek:

[aussiecreeder]

Thats quite interesting

But what a hard board to read :eek:

hard to read? i don't have any problem with it, that board gets some MAJOR traffic.

[Trees of Wisdom]

hard to read? i don't have any problem with it, that board gets some MAJOR traffic.

You've been kicking ass so far, Hide.

[aussiecreeder]

You've been kicking ass so far, Hide.

sweeeet we both like a debate and he doesn't even really care about the subject! no.8 for touring numbers is very impressive for that year! they are very big in Indonesia, India and the like! :)

[Trees of Wisdom]

sweeeet we both like a debate and he doesn't even really care about the subject! no.8 for touring numbers is very impressive for that year! they are very big in Indonesia, India and the like! :)

They have no argument, though. The people there are VERY ignorant. They think that Creed broke into the music scene in 1999. Also the whole argument is an attempt to give another reason why Creed "sucks". Any one that knows a thing or two about music knows that crappy artists can't sell for crap in other countries. That's another reason why rap is crap, but that's beside the point. They are incorrect. Creed sells a lot around the world.

[hayley]

hard to read? i don't have any problem with it, that board gets some MAJOR traffic.
Yeah it's the peachy/orange on the black background...it's hard for my eyes, anyway.

Also the whole argument is an attempt to give another reason why Creed "sucks".
That's right :laugh: It's pretty funny, but hide I'm sure all of those people are nice. :D

They are incorrect. Creed sells a lot around the world.
Yeah, they sure do. They sold like how many here (lol I don't know the number, I can't remember) But a HELL of alot for such a small country.

[aussiecreeder]

They have no argument, though. The people there are VERY ignorant. They think that Creed broke into the music scene in 1999. Also the whole argument is an attempt to give another reason why Creed "sucks". Any one that knows a thing or two about music knows that crappy artists can't sell for crap in other countries. That's another reason why rap is crap, but that's beside the point. They are incorrect. Creed sells a lot around the world.

they are very ignorant but there are some that are fans and there a couple that frequent both here and Synergy. I have got one person to like Mark but giving her a few files of him shredding and the like. :) she doesn't like scott but she likes mark, which well is a start. in fact ain't you like that? :D

about rap artists like Outkast are good I must say, but 50 Cent and the like does sell well arond the world which is a major letdown. selling a lot around the world doesn't equate to quality in my view although it can be an indication. the idol thing sells around the world but sucks so.....

he was wrong about only selling in the U.S's bible belt though! don't worry when this new material comes out he'll have to eat his words! :D

[Lechium]

Any one that knows a thing or two about music knows that crappy artists can't sell for crap in other countries.
whoa... so america is the only country where bad music sells, huh? I guess that's why Britney, 50 cent and others top charts around the world... but that's good music, to you, right?

They are incorrect. Creed sells a lot around the world.
numbers from official source, please?

P.S. rap = crap is dumbest ting I've ever heard. Dont compare MTV rap with underground rap, mmmkay?

[aussiecreeder]

whoa... so america is the only country where bad music sells, huh? I guess that's why Britney, 50 cent and others top charts around the world... but that's good music, to you, right?


numbers from official source, please?

P.S. rap = crap is dumbest ting I've ever heard. Dont compare MTV rap with underground rap, mmmkay?

don't do drugs mmmkay
don't be a troll mmmkay
britney is hot but can't sing mmmmkay

Lechium is right MTV rap is not the same thing as underground rap! my numbers in that thread come from Creed's site who's numbers come from the RIAA.

[Lechium]

Numbers in this thread are pretty low... 3x plat in Canada doesnt count, cuz Canada = US almost. Platinum in indonesia is probably around 200k copies sold, gold in each major Euro country is very low... comparing to numbers they have in US, their foreign numbers suck.

[Trees of Wisdom]

whoa... so america is the only country where bad music sells, huh? I guess that's why Britney, 50 cent and others top charts around the world... but that's good music, to you, right?


numbers from official source, please?

P.S. rap = crap is dumbest ting I've ever heard. Dont compare MTV rap with underground rap, mmmkay?

What are the actual stats for 50 Cent's sales? And 50 Cent is pop, basically. I should have been more clear on what I said. And pop does sell everywhere. That's basicallly the whole point. But a rock band that sells a lot around the world, well that's just amazing.

Rap sucks, period. Rap stands for Retards Attempting Poetry. Making noise with your mouth isn't really talented. I wasn't referring to MTV rap, I was referring to the whole rap genre. Rap simply sucks.

[aussiecreeder]

have you heard any non-MTV rap? pop=popular which means that bands like Creed is pop music BTW. i don't like most rap (stuff like Ja Rule and the like simply sucks) but some of it is not too bad. I'm preddy sure 50 Cent's sales would be very ummm impressive.

[Trees of Wisdom]

have you heard any non-MTV rap? pop=popular which means that bands like Creed is pop music BTW. i don't like most rap (stuff like Ja Rule and the like simply sucks) but some of it is not too bad. I'm preddy sure 50 Cent's sales would be very ummm impressive.

There's a difference between pop and popular music. Rap is pop because it's just using turntables and whatnot. Fake music.

[Lechium]

What are the actual stats for 50 Cent's sales? And 50 Cent is pop, basically. I should have been more clear on what I said. And pop does sell everywhere. That's basicallly the whole point. But a rock band that sells a lot around the world, well that's just amazing.

Rap sucks, period. Rap stands for Retards Attempting Poetry. Making noise with your mouth isn't really talented. I wasn't referring to MTV rap, I was referring to the whole rap genre. Rap simply sucks.
creed is pop by your defenition.

also if turntables = fake music, than electro guitars = fake music too

[aussiecreeder]

Numbers in this thread are pretty low... 3x plat in Canada doesnt count, cuz Canada = US almost. Platinum in indonesia is probably around 200k copies sold, gold in each major Euro country is very low... comparing to numbers they have in US, their foreign numbers suck.

even discounting Canada, Australia and the like their numbers are preddy impressive actually. Indonesia sales are about 300 K, India about 200K, Germany's platnium level is at the same level I think. All up they would have shipped about a million copies of Weathered outside U.S borders. Those would be the most impressive rock numbers since well.....Ten. Considering that Indonesia is the world's largest Muslim nation that is not bad at all.

[aussiecreeder]

TOW what about these rap-metal and nu-metal bands are they half-fake?

[Trees of Wisdom]

TOW what about these rap-metal and nu-metal bands are they half-fake?

They're just crap. Rap-metal has to have been the worst music fad ever.

[Trees of Wisdom]

creed is pop by your defenition.

also if turntables = fake music, than electro guitars = fake music too

You actually make your sound with a guitar. It isn't already made and you just have to mix it. Aurgh, rap sucks.

[Lechium]

You actually make your sound with a guitar. It isn't already made and you just have to mix it. Aurgh, rap sucks.
you really have to get over yourself and realize that turntables is a valid instrument. Listen to DJ Shadow sometime.

[hayley]

I HATE turntables...Incubus use them alot and that's why I don't like them because the turntable just threw me off completley.

TOW what about these rap-metal and nu-metal bands are they half-fake?
Only half fake? They are fake. I hate most of these new bands that are coming out who are mixing rap with rock. Like Linkin Park for example, or Limp Biskit, I can't stand them because when you hear the verses, even the chourses, they have rap in them, rap and rock just DON'T go well together, period. And lyrical content now days with these rap/rock bands coming out are just shocking. Mainstream rock is getting worse and worse by the day, give me some classic rock any day.

[Lechium]

turntables != scratching, although MTV does their best to convince everyone the opposite.
http://www.djshadow.com/site/index.html, go to Media Player. Bunch of his songs, including ones with Zack De La Rocha.
Disavawed is prolly a good example... too bad Midnight in the Perfect World isnt there =(

[aussiecreeder]

turntables != scratching, although MTV does their best to convince everyone the opposite.
http://www.djshadow.com/site/index.html, go to Media Player. Bunch of his songs, including ones with Zack De La Rocha.
Disavawed is prolly a good example... too bad Midnight in the Perfect World isnt there =(

good point about Zack De La Rocha, Audioslave get good vibes around here generallly. Replace Cornell with Zack and what do we have preddy much? Rage Against the Machine who were one of the innovators of the genre now dominated by Linkin Park and the like. Like any genre the bands that started it were far better then the imitators. I don't like these bands (Linkin Park are mmmkay) but stuff like The Prodigy was good.

[Trees of Wisdom]

good point about Zack De La Rocha, Audioslave get good vibes around here generallly. Replace Cornell with Zack and what do we have preddy much? Rage Against the Machine who were one of the innovators of the genre now dominated by Linkin Park and the like. Like any genre the bands that started it were far better then the imitators. I don't like these bands (Linkin Park are mmmkay) but stuff like The Prodigy was good.

Zack De La Rocha held them down. It's great that they formed Audioslave. I liked some riffs from Rage Against the Machine, but the rapping and the annoying lyrics made me really dislike the band. Kind of like how some people dislike Creed. Over the leadsinger and lyrics. Rage Against the Machine is more "hardcore" so to speak, than Audioslave. They don't sound the same, but you can easily tell that it's Tom Morello playing guitar.

[aussiecreeder]

Zack De La Rocha held them down. It's great that they formed Audioslave. I liked some riffs from Rage Against the Machine, but the rapping and the annoying lyrics made me really dislike the band. Kind of like how some people dislike Creed. Over the leadsinger and lyrics. Rage Against the Machine is more "hardcore" so to speak, than Audioslave. They don't sound the same, but you can easily tell that it's Tom Morello playing guitar.

the leadsinger and lyrics are very important, i can't like a band if i dislike the lead singer and lyrics. Are you telling me you can't rock out to "Killing in the Name"? I would like it if Morello wouldn't fall back on his DJ effects so often. They are good but in their debut it was overdone a bit I thought.

[hayley]

Killing In The Name cracks me up

[aussiecreeder]

killing in the name of....ohhh

[hayley]

lol wtf