Trip to Canada anyone?

[JulieCitySlicker]

NEW YORK - Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton expressed confidence Sunday in her presidential prospects and said she awaits a spirited contest for the 2008 Democratic nomination.

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"I'm looking forward to it. It'll be a great contest with a lot of talented people and I'm very confident. I'm in, I'm in it to win and that's what I intend to do," she said after her first public appearance since announcing her candidacy Saturday.

Clinton's comments came during a visit to a Manhattan community health clinic, where the New York senator was promoting a federal children's health-care program.

Clinton said she would introduce legislation to expand the Children's Health Insurance Program to all families who need it, regardless of income. Aides said Clinton was determined to attend to her Senate duties throughout the campaign.

Reflecting her new status as a leading presidential contender, the room was packed with media — some two dozen television camera crews jockeyed for position with scores of reporters from as far away as Germany. Photographers waited outside in chilly temperatures for over an hour to snap pictures of Clinton's arrival.

Clinton said she decided to run after talking to family, friends and supporters since her re-election in November.

"It was a thorough review for me about the problems we confront in the country, the particular strengths and talents I would bring — both to the race and the White House," Clinton said.

"I concluded, based on the work of my lifetime and my experience and my understanding of what our country has to confront in order to continue to make opportunity available to all of our citizens here and to restore our leadership and respect of America around the world, that I would be able to do that — to bring our country together to meet those tough challenges," she said.

The former first lady answered questions after promoting the CHIP legislation. She appeared onstage gripping the hands of 1-year old Olivia and 3-year old Camilla Harden, whose parents said they relied on CHIP for their daughters' health care. The girls looked bewildered as hundreds of flashbulbs popped and cameras whirred throughout the room.

"It's simply wrong for any child to lack health care in America. That's where we start," Clinton said.

Earlier Sunday, one of her White House rivals said Clinton is the favorite right now for the Democratic nomination but added that the party is a "lifetime" away from making its 2008 choice.

"I think she's incredibly formidable and has got to be the front-runner and the odds-on pick right now. But this is a marathon. There's a long way to go," said Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del.

The former first lady joined the race on Saturday, hoping to become the first female president.

A crowded field of Democratic candidates is led by Clinton, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama (news, bio, voting record) and 2004 vice presidential nominee John Edwards. New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson jumped in Sunday.

A Washington Post-ABC News poll released Sunday showed Clinton was the favorite of 41 percent of Democrats, more than double the support of any of her rivals.

Clinton made her announcement on a video posted Saturday on her Web site. Obama said last week he was setting up a committee to raise money and gauge support for a run.

Former GOP House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who is considering a 2008 bid, said he thought Obama "forced Senator Clinton's hand by weeks. I mean, he has gained ground so rapidly that I think she sort of thought she had to remind her friends she was around."

Gingrich said Clinton "can raise far more resources than any other Democrat, probably raise more resources than all the other Democrats combined. And you'd have to say, given those assets, that she has a six-out-of-10 chance or better of being the Democratic nominee."

I'll be the first one in line to Canada if she wins this election

[RalphyS]

Quote: (Originally Posted by JulieCitySlicker)

I'll be the first one in line to Canada if she wins this election

Promises, promises ...

By the way, Clinton is too conservative in my opinion, momentarily I'm rooting for Barack Obama.

Canada's politicians and policies are more liberal (in the American sense of the word) than any of the above, so if you want to flee from the USA into a more right-wing, conservative-led nation you would have to go to ... , hmmm, in which nation do they still have a fascist government?

Oh yeah, Iran might be an option !!!

[eusebioCBR]

^Fascism huh? A specious label given to those who have self reliant, conservative views and maybe religious beliefs.
What can the, "fascists" call a dictatorship of the extreme left?

Maybe Australia, if Hillary is elected.

[JulieCitySlicker]

Quote: (Originally Posted by RalphyS)

Promises, promises ...

By the way, Clinton is too conservative in my opinion, momentarily I'm rooting for Barack Obama.

Canada's politicians and policies are more liberal (in the American sense of the word) than any of the above, so if you want to flee from the USA into a more right-wing, conservative-led nation you would have to go to ... , hmmm, in which nation do they still have a fascist government?

Oh yeah, Iran might be an option !!!

I was of course half joking there, by the way but it would suck if she became president

[Chase]

Quote: (Originally Posted by RalphyS)

Promises, promises ...

By the way, Clinton is too conservative in my opinion, momentarily I'm rooting for Barack Obama.

Canada's politicians and policies are more liberal (in the American sense of the word) than any of the above, so if you want to flee from the USA into a more right-wing, conservative-led nation you would have to go to ... , hmmm, in which nation do they still have a fascist government?

Oh yeah, Iran might be an option !!!

HAHAHAHAHA Hillary Clinton is too conservative for you? You're not a fan of moderates? You constantly criticize certain people for being "too conservative," when in reality... extreme liberals are just as detrimental to America. Normally, I would be incredibly surprised by a statement like that... but I've had the same debate with random Dutch people about why the U.S. is this big, bad, conservative country time and time again.

The only country I can think of that is as far left as you're looking for... is Venezuela or Cuba... and we all know what kind of thriving lands of Marxism those are!

[JulieCitySlicker]

Ya,but Venezuela would be out of the question since they think we should all "Go to hell". Haha! Don't think I'll ever plan a trip there

[Chase]

Quote: (Originally Posted by JulieCitySlicker)

Ya,but Venezuela would be out of the question since they think we should all "Go to hell". Haha! Don't think I'll ever plan a trip there

Judging by the tone of Europeans these days, I'd say they might agree with Hugo Chavez on that point.

[Lunar Shadow]

Clinton is too socially conservative and too fiscally liberal (in the classical sense) for me.. So she will; not be getting my vote.


I will probably vote along party lines agian to make a statement.

[RalphyS]

Quote: (Originally Posted by eusebioCBR)

^Fascism huh? A specious label given to those who have self reliant, conservative views and maybe religious beliefs.
What can the, "fascists" call a dictatorship of the extreme left?

Maybe Australia, if Hillary is elected.

A dictatorship of the extreme left? Does communism strike a bell? Well, I don't think communism was ever really executed properly, since it should not be a dictatorship of a communist party, but a government by the people, but somehow, when they get 'the power' the principles go overboard.

Btw I did not call the USA a fascist state, I stated that an even more right wing and conservative state as the USA would likely be fascist, so what I'm actually saying is that the Bush-led USA is bordering on fascist.

[RalphyS]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chase)

HAHAHAHAHA Hillary Clinton is too conservative for you? You're not a fan of moderates? You constantly criticize certain people for being "too conservative," when in reality... extreme liberals are just as detrimental to America. Normally, I would be incredibly surprised by a statement like that... but I've had the same debate with random Dutch people about why the U.S. is this big, bad, conservative country time and time again.

The only country I can think of that is as far left as you're looking for... is Venezuela or Cuba... and we all know what kind of thriving lands of Marxism those are!

Well, Chase, you've been in Europe for a while now, so you would have to know by now that most European politicians are less conservative than the most liberal American politician. Hell, our liberals are considered right-wing overhere. Socialism is big in Europe, not that I'm a socialist, I am a liberal (in the European sense of the word).

I'm not looking for a far left country by the way, most european nations have liberal-socialist coalitions to some degree and that's fine with me. Well maybe I should consider moving, since probaby the Christian fundamentalists will become part of the new Dutch government, but I have good hope that their coalition partners the socialists and the center/conservative Christians will be able to control the damage that they could do.

[RalphyS]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chase)

Judging by the tone of Europeans these days, I'd say they might agree with Hugo Chavez on that point.

Democracy is great, isn't it

[RalphyS]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Lunar Shadow)

Clinton is too socially conservative and too fiscally liberal (in the classical sense) for me.. So she will; not be getting my vote.

I will probably vote along party lines agian to make a statement.

If she's anything like her husband, she'll be a very moderate democrat, meaning leaning very much towards the Republicans. I think there should be more of a choice, not Republican or Republican light, alas the more outspoken/liberal democrats will have a much harder time of getting elected, because of the conservative/christian views in especially the red states.

I do however feel that Hillary's plans for healthcare for everyone are good.

[eusebioCBR]

Btw I did not call the USA a fascist state, I stated that an even more right wing and conservative state as the USA would likely be fascist, so what I'm actually saying is that the Bush-led USA is bordering on fascist.[/quote]

I would regard a liberal democrat-led USA more bordering on socialism. The tax benifits of capitolism keep our elected officials swimming in money. I doubt they would drain their pool with the failed communist ideal.
As far as Pres. Bush goes, I would prefer someone a little more conservative.

[JulieCitySlicker]

Quote: (Originally Posted by Chase)

Judging by the tone of Europeans these days, I'd say they might agree with Hugo Chavez on that point.

Maybe so!

[RalphyS]

Quote: (Originally Posted by eusebioCBR)

I would regard a liberal democrat-led USA more bordering on socialism. The tax benifits of capitolism keep our elected officials swimming in money. I doubt they would drain their pool with the failed communist ideal.
As far as Pres. Bush goes, I would prefer someone a little more conservative.

Americans always seem to use the words socialism and communism, as if they mean the same thing, they don't. And democrats, even the liberal ones, aren't even in the socialist league, so communism isn't even in sight.

More conservative than Bush Hitler springs to mind