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Baptism or hell?
This baptism stuff has got me thinking
What if someone wasnt baptised but loved Jesus and truly had a relationship with him? What if they had just given their life to him and soon after that had an accident and died? Would they go to hell? My mum is PETRIFIED of water on her face cos of nearly drowning when she was a kid, so will she go to hell? WHat does the word say about it all? I thought John 3:16 was the truth. It doesnt say be baptised, it says those who believe in Jesus... What do others think?
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baptism is not necessary for salvation....case in point was the man who jesus saved whilst on the cross. the man was never baptised yet jesus promised him eternal life. discussion over.....
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THE BIBLE SAYS IT
if your not baptised YOU BURN IN HELL FOR ETERNITY!!!! |
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Why would the thief have needed to be baptized since Jesus was right there? Jesus is not standing in our midst today, hence baptism is necessary. Although in extreme cases like the one mentioned in the first post then I'm pretty sure God will let that slide.
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ah, my friend, the discussion is not over. maybe if you get the story straight it would be. first off, Christ did not promise the thief eternal life. he promised that he would be with him in paradise. now, my friends, paradise is different from eternal life, or what we would call heaven. consider this: Jesus tell the theif that he would be with him in paradise, but then later right after his resurrection, he tells mary that he has yet to ascend to his Father...meaning that paradise, and heaven, the placewhere God lives, are two different places. my friend, get the story straight. now the discussion is over.
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the story remains the same. if a man is born of water and of the spirit, he cant enter into the kingdom of heaven. case closed. why are you disputing. what, you think it was april fools. you think it was a comedy club? if youre not baptised, you cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven. no ifs ands or buts about it. ok. and whats with you ppl and hell? you think theres only heaven and hell? my friends, no. remember what paul tells us about the 3 degrees of heaven: the Celestial kingdom, where God is: the glory of the sun. the Terrestrial kingdom, glory of the moon, and the Telestrial kingdom, glory of the stars. now, there are requirements for entering into the celestial kingdom, the kingdom of heaven. and one of those is baptism. why? because its a commandment. you all claim to be christians, and you claim to love Christ, buit if you love him, you would keep his commandments 100%. this isnt a boy's club. this is the gospel of Christ, a way of life, and any other way other than the way that Christ gave us, is the way of satan. and my friends, these things are true, because i know they are true.
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Back in the day, a person who converted from one religion to another was often baptized to identify conversion... Baptism was the means of making a decision public. Those who refused to be baptized were saying they did not truly believe... So, in the minds of the apostles, the idea of an un-baptized believer was unheard of. When a person claimed to believe in Christ, yet was ashamed to proclaim his faith in public, it indicated that he did not have true faith.
If baptism is necessary for salvation, why would Paul have said, "I am thankful that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius" (1 Corinthians 1:14)? Why would he have said, "For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel - not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power" (1 Corinthians 1:17)? Some denominations argue that baptism is necessary for salvation due to a misinterpretation of one or two verses of Scripture. See your pastor if you have a question about this. Overall, the Scriptures are very clear and consistent, baptism is not necessary for salvation. Heaven ![]() |
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jesus not yet ascending to his father proves that paradise and heaven are two different places? hey dude can i have what you're smoking? ![]() secondly the bible NEVER states the baptism is required for the salvation of a soul although together with communion it forms the two most important ordiances in the faith. i'll repeat again that is commanded so someone who refuses it i would ask some severe questions of. and LOL at King! ![]() anyway if us "christians" (in the loosest terms possible) can't agree on some basic sound theology why should the "world" pay us any attention?
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My Point Excalty
We Can Learn How To Love Others By Viewing Thier Thoughts And Opion And X Shows...That He Stands Behind His Opion By The Way He Expreses Himself ....
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Read the facts: John 3:3-7
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be aborn bagain, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be aborn again. Yeah, you're right. You shouldn't laugh at what you don't know. You can read in the New Testament of Jesus going to another area before ascending into heaven where he taught those that he saw to show that the Messiah had come. He then appointed people as teachers to go to those who wouldn't see him. H-D ![]()
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you are right laughing wasen't the best idea but i do know the facts here. he is speaking of being born again not baptism. if baptism is needed for salavation than men such as those jesus saved on the cross would be unsaved. it is a public display of faith, not something that saves. christianity is all about God saving. If baptism is needed for salvation then that is man doing something to earn salavation.
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aussie, let me spell this out sloooowww. Jesus tells the thief that "today" you will be with me in paradise. 3 days later after He is resurrected, He tells mary that He had yet ascended to HIs Father. im no expert or anything, but i though having eternal life was living with the Father, for eternity. yet Jesus hadnt gone to his father until a couple of days after HE was with the thief in paradise. my man, theres a differnce. instead of laughing, you should be studying.
oh yeah, what do you think being born again is?! if a man isnt born of WATER and the spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven. thats baptism my friend. and yes there are things you have to do to have salvation... its called keeping the commandments. baptism is a commanment, so keep it. you claim to be christian, you claim to love Christ, then keep his commandments and stop making excuses.
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thats because he didnt, someone else did. what you think he was the only person in the world that had the authority to baptise?
so how would you interpet john 3:5? its clear, it tells me that baptism is very necessary. what more do you need?
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Being born again comes with a conversion to Christ which is signified or shown by baptism. If Jesus Christ was standing right in front of you and told you that you were saved, I'd say that takes presidence over being baptized. The theif on the cross told Christ that he believed when he was asked. Likewise, we must believe before we are baptized. Anyone you meet today who was baptized, I'd be willing to say they've never seen Christ face-to-face. Therefore, they must have faith and become converted to Christ.
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