Who to vote for.......... - Page 5

RMadd · 01-29-2004, 03:28 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Aimee) Just as Bush had no reason to take into consideration the opinions of the UN? Touche!

The U.N. can be ineffective. It's my opinion that the US should cease its involvement w/ this "governing body" or whatever the hell it is.
Oh, btw, did you read them stats? Touche!

Dogstar · 01-29-2004, 03:28 PM

Quote: If anything, though, politics are less corrupt today than, say, during the later 1800s and until 30 or 40 years ago

You can't be serious.

Aimee · 01-29-2004, 03:28 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by BearFan) Wow! This is crazy! I actually find myself agreeing with something you say, Dogstar! Ever seen "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington"? It's a kitschy movie made about the same time as "It's a Wonderful Life" (in fact, it involves many of the same actors, and follows the basic plot-line). If anything, though, politics are less corrupt today than, say, during the later 1800s and until 30 or 40 years ago (I'm not exactly sure on those numbers). Political machines and bosses were very corrupt. They no longer exist today as we knew them. But what many people don't realize about these machines was that, in order to gain the great amounts of power they had, they often did great deals of good for the "common citizen", so as to garner their votes. And it worked.

Dude, you need to read some Taylor Cauldwell books and then come back to me with idealistic mantras.

RMadd · 01-29-2004, 03:29 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Aimee) Dude, you need to read some Taylor Cauldwell books and then come back to me with idealistic mantras.

I'm not sure I follow.

Aimee · 01-29-2004, 03:29 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by BearFan) I'm not sure I follow.

Someday you will.

RMadd · 01-29-2004, 03:34 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dogstar) You can't be serious.

I am very serious. Boss Tweed? Tammany Hall? The Pendergast Machine? The list goes on and on and on and on.... There were machines in every major city in the U.S. in that time period. Presidential scandals (in a time when the media was not highly involved in politics as they are today, Warren G. Harding's little Teapot Dome Scandal was found out... Ulysses Grant was surrounded by corrupt officials a good 50 years before Harding)--aside from Clinton, haven't seen many of them recently, eh? And with campaign finance reform, steps are being taken in a positive direction.

RMadd · 01-29-2004, 03:35 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Aimee) Someday you will.

Is there any way in which you could enlighten me as to the nature of this author's writings? Just a brief synopsis so I can know what I'm dealing with.

Aimee · 01-29-2004, 03:37 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by BearFan) Is there any way in which you could enlighten me as to the nature of this author's writings? Just a brief synopsis so I can know what I'm dealing with.

http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/tcaldwel.htm
I suggest starting with "Captains and the Kings" Oh, and sorry I spelled her last name wrong. Caldwell.

RMadd · 01-29-2004, 03:45 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Aimee) http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/tcaldwel.htm
I suggest starting with "Captains and the Kings" Oh, and sorry I spelled her last name wrong. Caldwell.

Intriguing. I'll hafta check her out.

Dogstar · 01-29-2004, 03:45 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by BearFan) And with campaign finance reform, steps are being taken in a positive direction.

Again, you can't be serious! How naive are you? I need a dropping-jaw icon.

RMadd · 01-29-2004, 03:47 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dogstar) Again, you can't be serious! How naive are you? I need a dropping-jaw icon.

That tickle your fancy?
Oh, I just noticed something. I can't use "ignorant", but "naïve" is okay?

The Lithium · 01-29-2004, 03:50 PM

I'm from Sweden and I'm only 15, so I won't vote, but I can tell you one thing!! I FUCKING HATE BUSH!!!!!!

RMadd · 01-29-2004, 03:52 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by extreme_LITHIUM) I'm from Sweden and I'm only 15, so I won't vote, but I can tell you one thing!! I FUCKING HATE BUSH!!!!!!

Sweden, eh? Is the band Blindside big over there?

Aimee · 01-29-2004, 04:00 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by BearFan)

That tickle your fancy?
Oh, I just noticed something. I can't use "ignorant", but "naïve" is okay?

Yes, becasue ignorant means that you don't know about the issues. And naive means that you do but refuse to believe that they are true.

Xterminator27 · 01-29-2004, 04:25 PM

Quote: (Originally Posted by extreme_LITHIUM) I FUCKING HATE BUSH!!!!!!

i cuncur

01-29-2004, 03:28 PM	#61
RMadd USER INFO » Status: Found The Real Posts: 10,546 Joined: Aug 2003 Currently: Offline	Quote: (Originally Posted by Aimee) Just as Bush had no reason to take into consideration the opinions of the UN? Touche! The U.N. can be ineffective. It's my opinion that the US should cease its involvement w/ this "governing body" or whatever the hell it is. Oh, btw, did you read them stats? Touche! __________________

01-29-2004, 03:28 PM	#62
Dogstar Forum Diplomat USER INFO » Status: Young Grown Old Posts: 21,345 Joined: Sep 2002 Currently: Offline	Quote: If anything, though, politics are less corrupt today than, say, during the later 1800s and until 30 or 40 years ago You can't be serious. __________________ Silly monkeys give them thumbs they make a club and beat their brother down. How they survive so misguided is a mystery.

01-29-2004, 03:28 PM	#63
Aimee USER INFO » Status: INK'ed Posts: 822 Joined: Sep 2002 Currently: Offline	Quote: (Originally Posted by BearFan) Wow! This is crazy! I actually find myself agreeing with something you say, Dogstar! Ever seen "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington"? It's a kitschy movie made about the same time as "It's a Wonderful Life" (in fact, it involves many of the same actors, and follows the basic plot-line). If anything, though, politics are less corrupt today than, say, during the later 1800s and until 30 or 40 years ago (I'm not exactly sure on those numbers). Political machines and bosses were very corrupt. They no longer exist today as we knew them. But what many people don't realize about these machines was that, in order to gain the great amounts of power they had, they often did great deals of good for the "common citizen", so as to garner their votes. And it worked. Dude, you need to read some Taylor Cauldwell books and then come back to me with idealistic mantras. __________________ The capacity for passion is both cruel and divine. George Sand - 1834

01-29-2004, 03:29 PM	#64
RMadd USER INFO » Status: Found The Real Posts: 10,546 Joined: Aug 2003 Currently: Offline	Quote: (Originally Posted by Aimee) Dude, you need to read some Taylor Cauldwell books and then come back to me with idealistic mantras. I'm not sure I follow. __________________

01-29-2004, 03:29 PM	#65
Aimee USER INFO » Status: INK'ed Posts: 822 Joined: Sep 2002 Currently: Offline	Quote: (Originally Posted by BearFan) I'm not sure I follow. Someday you will. __________________ The capacity for passion is both cruel and divine. George Sand - 1834

01-29-2004, 03:34 PM	#66
RMadd USER INFO » Status: Found The Real Posts: 10,546 Joined: Aug 2003 Currently: Offline	Quote: (Originally Posted by Dogstar) You can't be serious. I am very serious. Boss Tweed? Tammany Hall? The Pendergast Machine? The list goes on and on and on and on.... There were machines in every major city in the U.S. in that time period. Presidential scandals (in a time when the media was not highly involved in politics as they are today, Warren G. Harding's little Teapot Dome Scandal was found out... Ulysses Grant was surrounded by corrupt officials a good 50 years before Harding)--aside from Clinton, haven't seen many of them recently, eh? And with campaign finance reform, steps are being taken in a positive direction. __________________

01-29-2004, 03:35 PM	#67
RMadd USER INFO » Status: Found The Real Posts: 10,546 Joined: Aug 2003 Currently: Offline	Quote: (Originally Posted by Aimee) Someday you will. Is there any way in which you could enlighten me as to the nature of this author's writings? Just a brief synopsis so I can know what I'm dealing with. __________________

01-29-2004, 03:37 PM	#68
Aimee USER INFO » Status: INK'ed Posts: 822 Joined: Sep 2002 Currently: Offline	Quote: (Originally Posted by BearFan) Is there any way in which you could enlighten me as to the nature of this author's writings? Just a brief synopsis so I can know what I'm dealing with. http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/tcaldwel.htm I suggest starting with "Captains and the Kings" Oh, and sorry I spelled her last name wrong. Caldwell. __________________ The capacity for passion is both cruel and divine. George Sand - 1834 Last edited by Aimee : 01-29-2004 at 03:41 PM.

01-29-2004, 03:45 PM	#69
RMadd USER INFO » Status: Found The Real Posts: 10,546 Joined: Aug 2003 Currently: Offline	Quote: (Originally Posted by Aimee) http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/tcaldwel.htm I suggest starting with "Captains and the Kings" Oh, and sorry I spelled her last name wrong. Caldwell. Intriguing. I'll hafta check her out. __________________

01-29-2004, 03:47 PM	#71
RMadd USER INFO » Status: Found The Real Posts: 10,546 Joined: Aug 2003 Currently: Offline	Quote: (Originally Posted by Dogstar) Again, you can't be serious! How naive are you? I need a dropping-jaw icon. That tickle your fancy? Oh, I just noticed something. I can't use "ignorant", but "naïve" is okay? __________________

01-29-2004, 03:52 PM	#73
RMadd USER INFO » Status: Found The Real Posts: 10,546 Joined: Aug 2003 Currently: Offline	Quote: (Originally Posted by extreme_LITHIUM) I'm from Sweden and I'm only 15, so I won't vote, but I can tell you one thing!! I FUCKING HATE BUSH!!!!!! Sweden, eh? Is the band Blindside big over there? __________________

01-29-2004, 04:00 PM	#74
Aimee USER INFO » Status: INK'ed Posts: 822 Joined: Sep 2002 Currently: Offline	Quote: (Originally Posted by BearFan) That tickle your fancy? Oh, I just noticed something. I can't use "ignorant", but "naïve" is okay? Yes, becasue ignorant means that you don't know about the issues. And naive means that you do but refuse to believe that they are true. __________________ The capacity for passion is both cruel and divine. George Sand - 1834

01-29-2004, 04:25 PM	#75
Xterminator27 USER INFO » Status: Said Eyes Posts: 4,314 Joined: Oct 2002 Currently: Offline	Quote: (Originally Posted by extreme_LITHIUM) I FUCKING HATE BUSH!!!!!! i cuncur __________________ If life gives you lemons, Then shut the hell up and eat your damn lemons! BUY MY MERCHANDISE http://www.cafepress.com/xterminator27

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