I just read about the Backstreet Boys new cd selling only 40,000 first week sales recently. So it is a different time, and look at bands like Train, who finished much lower than Creed on the chart. Stone Sour sold 80,000 first week sales in 2006, and that was considered good enough by the label to want another cd by them. I know that band is made up of band members who are in two bands. Though Stone Sour hasn't made a cd since then. They do have a time clock on their website though. lol I don't like them or Slipknot. Just liked the article as it pertains to Creed.