More on Hillaree hitting Scott!
 

From an article on a music news site called RockDaily:

It states that some of the things Scott and Hillaree were discussing/arguing about was the custody of Jagger, the continuation of her detox and a psychological exam. Apparently these discussions turned into an argument, with Hillaree saying she was going to get an attorney to get custody of her son and reverse the existing order. At one point, Hillaree reportedly yelled, "I f**ked four guys in your bed while you were gone!"

The incident report says that after Hillaree hit Scott, he said "you just hit me, I am calling the police". She said "you wanted me to hit you" and "you hit me", to which Scott said "I did not".

Scott then told his assistant to call the police.

The incident report is posted on the site if anyone is interested.

Hilaree is an absolute bitch.

I could not have said it any better.

The article made no mention of Jagger being there, so hopefully he wasn't. Hillaree definitely should not have custody of him.

Gosh, I saw the report, i cannot beleieve she is undergoing detox and a psychological exam, she seems to come off as a goody goody on VH1's behind the music, this just blows my mind. too bad it doesn't say how long the held her. i still find the week hard to beleive.

i must agree though, she seems like a total bitch. she doesn't realize how lucky she is/was.

i am surprised that they would post the police report like that. Someone must have connections somewhere.... People think that just because these musicians have money and fame that they dont have to deal with the everday situations that us normal people have to .... Its really ashame that Hillaree is so messed up, for Jaggers sake. Could you even imagine what Scotts family is feeling knowing the hell that there son and grandson are going through.

Ditto.

Her picture looks totally different than how she lookedon behind the music.

Were did you see her picture?:dancing:

If you go to the link that TeriB19 gave, one of the pages has a big pic of her. Looks a bit skanky.

Looks real skanky.

YUCK! She is ugly! :throwup:

oh my god i cannot believe that picture of Hilaree....

she looks like a typical jailbird

Well obviously she is a woman who surely had no clue what she had!!!!! It is a real shame that this had to happen to their family. I may obsess about Stapp and fantasize about him ,BUT..... I would want nothing but happiness for him for sure!!! His music and lyrics have given me soooo much in the last 6 years I hate to think of them not excisting!!!!:( As far a Hilaree is concerned I never really thought she was that beautiful like everyone thought she was!!! You take all that glam make-up off of her and high style clothes and look what you have? Obvioulsy she has a lot of growing up to do!!!! And drug rehab? Wasn't she the one that preached to them "no drugs, no alcohol on tour"? Well take a look at her now!!!!!!! POOR JAGGER:(

you are so right. i had said earlier that she came across as such a goody goody on the vh1's behind the music and then this. it's just crazy. in all the media scott had never said one bad thing about her and she creamed the 4 guy deal on the police report and we all know they only write what is said on the police reports. what a hag.

Yeah.... Hag is not even the word! I just can't believe it! What a hussy!!!:mad: The bottom line is what a mockery she made out of Scott's WAWO foundation!:mad: She is the one that needed the most help!!! Sounds like she needs to go to more than rehab!! I hope she doesn't go crazy and do anything else to hurt Scott or Jagger! As far as her 4 guy comment, well I am sure she realizes her ex- husband is a rock god and if she thinks for one minute that there are not thousands of "willing" women, welll.....she is very mistaken! Hell even if he was not hansome I think the Jerry McGuire line "he had me from hello" expains how I feel!:rolleyes:

This response is probably going to seem a little drawn out and may even anger some people but I feel I need to speak up, especially after seeing the police report and reading all the events that have recently occurred with our one and only favorite group “Creed”.

I get the feeling that it might be just that little fact that Scott can have any woman he wants and Hilaree knows it. That is why she used the 4 guy comment to hurt him. That is what she was trying to do, I can bet on it. I don't believe it was the truth for a minute.

Even though Scott is as wonderful as he is....he still is not a perfect man. There is no such a creature. I am not saying what Hilaree did was right, but there are 2 sides to every story. He has plenty of people defending his better interests, which in turn may also end up, defending their better interests. Hillaree is not the one making the multi millions, Scott is. She is also not the one that has the magical, poetic music that we love so much. It is only natural that Scott would be completely protected and Hilaree would be a no-one as long as Scott says so. Who would you defend?

What Hilaree did was really screwed!! Hitting Scott, I mean. She messed her own life up in the process of what she did more then anyone's. After going to the concert at PSU and reading all the reviews about Scott and the concerts since that night, I would say Hilaree is not the only one that needs to regroup and take a good look at their life. I can definitely say that no person in this whole scenario is totally sober or drug free. So the detox comment does not impress me. I think Scott is too worried about letting his fans down. He is not doing what is best for him , which is taking a break from all this.

I love Scott Stapp and Creeds music as much as anyone on these boards, but he definitely needs to decide what to do with his life at this point. Singing and loving his fans may not in reality be the best thing for him right now. To me it appears as though all this fame is hurting him more then helping him and I am sure that it is definitely hurting every aspect of his personal life. I can’t even imagine trying to have a normal family life, with the situation he is in. It has to be the hardest thing any family could have to go thru. Can anyone here even imagine having Scott as a husband and having him on the road with every woman throwing themselves at him constantly??? I think that would be enough to drive me to insanity over time.

All I know is that I am really worried about the direction his life is going right now. It may sound crazy but since the 19th (PSU concert) I have spent every spare moment online trying to read about the current events with Creed and some of these things are really scary. I don’t want Creed to ever stop dancing! I want them to continue to fly (but with happiness) This is not only making his life unhappy, but the bottom line is WHEN HE IS NOT HAPPY …..HIS FANS AREN’T EITHER! WE WORRY!

I am really sorry if it appears as though I have rambled on about nothing. Maybe I just needed to put this all in writing to make me feel better. What ever the reason. I just had to say it.
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I do understand where you are coming from Tantraess. I believe she was trying to be hurtful with her comments and definitely with her actions. We don't know the whole story, nor will we ever. You are right, no one is perfect.

I believe the band should take a long long rest. I thought they were done after the concerts in early December. But then the Philly and Chicago dates were announced, and don't get me wrong, I'll be in Philly with bells on! But the management that is setting up all these concerts needs to take a long hard look at the band and see that these guys need a BREAK!! Scott needs to get his life together, both personally and professionally. Touring into the ground won't help get them straightened out.

I couldn't agree with you more.

BUT, the reason scott prolly wants to keep on giving shows and keeping in touch with his music is becauze right now that 's prolly all (and of course Jagger) that's keeping him together right now.
If he was to play quits or have a break for awhile, and think about the whole custody thing, i rekon he would fall apart...so yes, he needs a break, but if the band and the music is all that's keeping him together right now, then let him carry on...let him get through this in his own way.

Tantraess, I agree that there is probably a good degree of protecting going on when it comes to the situation and that there are two sides to every story. We won't ever really know what happened. Scott has said previously that if there is one thing he would change about himself it's his temper, so I'm sure the argument was good and heated. He definitely is far from perfect, but if she indeed did hit him with the cell phone, I can't abide that. If he had hit her, I'm sure that would have come out. It's really sad that the custody issue has gotten to this point. I think they do need a long break, sit back, regroup and just try to live their lives. They have kept up an insance pace this year, and it has to wear on them.

Yes, the insane concert schedule, coupled with the accident and the bout with laryngitis makes for one hell of a year. I believe they do need a long break. I hope for their sake if there IS a European tour it's not until next summer. Sorry to all our friends overseas, but these guys have been keeping a breakneck schedule under the most strenuous of conditions and need to relax for more than just a month.

No way - your genuine concern and passion for Scott and the band is appreciated here. Such a cool and thoughtful post. I would guess they are counting the days to the end of the year...and then a WELL DESERVED break - and perhaps time to reconsider management and labels. But, the time is needed - to reconnect with their lyrics and their messages FOR THEMSELVES.

We all know there's a peace inside us all, here's to hoping they find some of their own!

I feel like his music has always been what has gotten him through his tough times and that it helps him cope. Not that his trials and tribulations are anything to gawk over, but we will probably be even more drawn to the band after their next album. It will clue us into alot more, but even so, we will never know the entire story of his life. I have heard all the bandmembers say, over and over, about how when they take time off, they miss the touring and the fans and I think that they have a lot of say so in what goes on in their schedule, I mean, they took that year off and couldn't wait to get back. I am sure the lifestyle is tough, but he and Hilaree have been divorced for awhile now and even though there are still issues to resolve and deal with because they do have a child together, I think the band has worked so long and so hard for this that it's what they need and want right now. Jaggar is the most important thing to Scott and I even think he comes before the band in Mark and Phillips eyes as well and I think that if Scott thought anything in his music career was jeopardizing his relationship with Jaggar he would stop in a heartbeat. I just think that things moved fast with Hilaree with a marriage and a baby so quick and she wasn't being very supportive. He said he thinks she needs someone who is home each night and he also said that anyone who is not along for the ride once he puts his mind to something, needs to just move on out of the way. I think she has some problems and needs to work through them. I mean, I have 2 children and it's hard with a regular husband, I can only imagine with a husband like Scott. It's hard and I think if she was doing more harm then good in her relationship with Scott and with Jaggar that what had to be done was done. I am sure he is there by her side and tries to help, but with detox and psycho exams, I am sure a lot is beyond his control. I think the band members are extremely level headed and know when enough is enough and if they need time off, they'll take it.

Excellent points, all of them! I agree that they know what's best for themselves. Looking at it from their point of view, yes, they love touring and want to do it as much as they can, and that has to take its toll on personal relationships. Looking at it from our point of view, as Tantraess said, we are concerned at what we, the fans, hear and read. While we don't know the whole story, what we do hear worries us and we just don't want to see them burn themselves out.

i totally agree, i don't want them to get burned out either. i anticipate their every move and just love that feeling of what's to come. wouldn't know what to do without them and i know they will leave such a legacy behind when it does come time to end in about 30 years. they are right up there with the best, and on the top of the list.

I just read this online.
http://www.geocities.com/stappnet/hillaree...l?1038157523010

his statement at the end is almost identical to what has been said. i think that it says a lot about him and kind of shed's some light.

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If that's Hilaree she looks alot older than 24,I'm 39 and look younger then her.And if that is her,what was Scott thinking.Poor Scott,she sounds like a real wacko,sounds like my brother's wife.I didn't know he has custody of Jagger,how old is little Jag?

Jagger just turned 4 I believe. It is a real shame that this is going on... I agree totally with you all about Scott's well-being. I think the case here is getting married too fast and involving a child THEN realizing they really weren't for each other! It is real sad that it had to turn out this way! I TOTALLY agree about the band taking a long deserved break, I just hope that they realize the importance of it! How many times have we seen rock bands go 100 mph for sooo long then they burn out and have TONS of problems!!!! Can you imagine what it is like for Scott and Jagger to see their lives talked about all over!!!!! The price of fame is not so rosey, I hope his strong will and desire for peace keeps him sane!
As far as the rest of the band, can you imagine what it is like for them? I am sure Scott is in a foul mood and his temper is flying more than we can only imagine! The bottom line is STRESS will kill you, I have seen living proof of it, and I hope and pray Scott will find his balance and do what is right, and it is our job to support his decison. He can get rested and rejuvinated and they will probably put out the BEST album yet!;)

Thanks everyone for the positive feedback and support for my thoughts about all this. I really appreciate knowing that everyone’s main concern when it comes to Creed is their health and happiness.

I am not really sure what is best for them at this point. I am just hoping and trusting that their decisions as far as this insane schedule are what they believe they need to make them happy. From what I have heard they are not only touring thru December, but also they are planning on continuing this whole tour thru August. I personally can’t imagine not being able to see them live for any long period of time and just like TeriB19 said, I’ll be at the Philly concert with bells on too! As long as they are touring and I can possibly make it, I will be there. On the other hand, if they decided that it was getting to be too much and stopped touring now, I would totally support that, because I want to see them around in another 10-20 yrs down the road. I wouldn’t know what to do without them either if something happened to any of them.

Hearing about and seeing Scott cry :crying: on the stage is not what I want for him.

Seeing him say the words “We suck” :eek: on the stage really blows me away, because that couldn’t be further from the truth.

Reading post after post on these boards and others like it about how drunk :drunk: he was and knowing when I saw them at the PSU concert, MY first reaction was thinking, he was drunk or something was wrong. He just wasn’t the normal Scott that I normally saw. To me it just doesn’t seem like these things among many others, are what someone that is happy and stable with their life does in front of thousands of their fans. He has to be really hurting.

Don’t get me wrong, I really respect Scott for being man enough to show his true feels……..but it also hurts me to know he is hurting this way.

Anything that affects him will definitely carry over to that little boy of his also. Even though Jagger is really young, kids are very smart and they pick up on everything especially emotions. I don’t care how much you try to hide it from them, hiding it just doesn’t work.

I am going to end this by saying that until I hear that Scott and the group is back to normal during this tour, I am going to worry. I hope and pray they get back on track real soon, for everyone’s sake. If they keep going this way, I am really afraid to see what happens New Years Eve.:peacelove

Where did it say he was drunk at the PSU show? Yeah it sounds like that was the case, because I can't imagine him acting soo nutty? Hey I know myself how being unhappy and having problems can cause your "usual personality" to be not in view!!!! As far as the New Year's Eve show I am sure he will put on an incredible show!!!! Maybe he will pick a fan out of the front and give them a New Year's kiss???:rolleyes: :rolleyes: WHAT DO YOU THINK TERI????? Anyways the bottom line is hey, we all want what is best for them!!!! And it seems a looong break is needed bad!! True Creed fans would support them!!:)

here we are true Creed fans,right??

I know I am!!;) I believe 90% of the people really are!:D

Here is a link to just one of the places I read about it.
http://pub54.ezboard.com/fcreedpit62842frm...cID=20256.topic

I just hope that it was a mistake and it only appeared that way. :)

Um, I will be more than willing to bring in the New Year with a kiss from Scott! :wub:

Seriously, though. Even if the post from Creedpit is remotely true and he had been drinking, so what? I didn't read anywhere that the show sucked. This is the very first time I've EVER read or heard anything about strange behavior attributed to him being under the influence. One time. It is not like they are back 5-6 years ago before they hit it big and were drinking before and after every show, and in Flip's own words "We sucked". Everyone reaches a boiling point sometime and for Scott, maybe this Hilaree issue was it.

Yeah I would have to say this was a boiling point alright! I would boil over the edge too!

I was just thinking about stuff and I want you all to say whether you feel the way I do, or not.

Maybe it's just me, but up until this cell phone deal with Hilaree, I had not heard anything totally horrible about her and I had never heard Scott say anything to the press that was bad about her. I was so unaware of how she was that I assumed they shared custody of Jaggar. I assumed that she wanted a husband that was home each night and that otherwise they were happy.

I guess that is why I was totally floored when I read these articles. I know the band hates for the press to release info like this, especially a police report and a mug shot, but I am kind of glad they did because after all the info I took in yesterday with this ordeal, I saw even deeper into their songs.

If you read the police report and the other article/link that was posted to the message boards yesterday and then pop in Weathered, it takes you to a deeper understanding of Scott's feelings.

They are very private about a lot of what the lyrics mean, I mean we all know that and they want fans to see their music from different levels, so it reaches all and I think they are so unique for that and that is why we all love them.

But, read over those articles one more time, then listen to Don't Stop Dancing and Lullaby and tell me it doesn't put you more in touch with Scott and his love for his son and making sure that Jaggar's life is without turmoil.

Maybe everyone's thoughts will be different on this and even though I knew his love for his son before this and also what the songs meant to me, it still just puts something else in my heart.

Scott is a very deep intense feeling individual, you can tell that from their very first release! I do believe that they has had problems for quite awhile, but he is so private about it, probably did not want Jagger hurt with info out like that! I believe he is just a classy man and he did not want to trash her by saying nasty derogitory things about her, hey... her actions spoke for him! It is just a real shame it had to end up this way! Can you only imagine what kind of lyrics will be written for the next cd?