Mark's singing

[Justify]

I was just listening to the acoustic version of MOP. In this version you can hear Marks voice very good on the chorus. Marks voice is awesome. I wonder why he didn't want to be the lead singer as well as the guitarist of his new group. You know as well as I do if he came out with a solo album it would sell a ton of records.

[uncertaindrumer]

No. Mark cannot be a lead singer. He had pretty decent back-up vocals, that doesn't make him a good singer. He knows it. We all know it. That's why he got the best singer in the business to sing for him.

[Justify]

No. Mark cannot be a lead singer. He had pretty decent back-up vocals, that doesn't make him a good singer. He knows it. We all know it. That's why he got the best singer in the business to sing for him.

When have you heard him sing anything other than backup? How do you know he cannot sing? Before Creed was actually going to breakup wasn't he considering a solo album as a side project? Wasn't he going to sing on that one? Also, Myles is great but I don't know if he is the best singer in the business (IMO)

[RoffeDH]

Name ONE other singer that isn't already taken that's better then him... One! Plus, I've heard him sing other then backup, I have a live pice on my computer where he sings a Metalica song that I at the moment can't remember the name to... And it's decent, but not okey... It's ruff... But I belive he's taking vocal lessons, and francly that's good...

[eusebioCBR]

Mark talked about this in an interview and he said, " I just didn't have the chops". I wish I could remember wich interview but there were just so many prior to the Alter Bridge release.

[RoffeDH]

Yeah... So... He isn't a good singer... But he's a hell of a good guitar player! ;)

[GregS]

Mark would be okay singing but hes better with Myles.

[RoffeDH]

Way better... And if you work alone, you tend to go in cirkcles... So it's better to work in pair of group...

[facelessmike]

Mark talked about this in an interview and he said, " I just didn't have the chops". I wish I could remember wich interview but there were just so many prior to the Alter Bridge release.

Yeah, he has said that he's not a very good singer. I remember that interview. He might have a decent voice, but he cant really belt it out.

[facelessmike]

Yeah... So... He isn't a good singer... But he's a hell of a good guitar player! ;)

Yeah, he does make up for it!! :D

[Ana4Stapp]

I was just listening to the acoustic version of MOP. In this version you can hear Marks voice very good on the chorus. Marks voice is awesome. I wonder why he didn't want to be the lead singer as well as the guitarist of his new group. You know as well as I do if he came out with a solo album it would sell a ton of records.


NO!!!!!!!!! I want Myles singing (and writing the lyrics as well) !!!! ;)

[cariocawlad]

He could do a duet in a one song for the next album...It would be amazing!

Peace.

[Bridge of Clay]

Justify,

the solo project was to have featured guitarists soloing with him: Carlos Santana, Steve Vai, Michael Angelo and Bill Peck were to be invited, but it never worked out coz they didn't have the time, specially after they decided to form a new band.

[Creed7352]

marcos, i believe he justify was talking about downshifter, not that "supergroup collaboration" you've mentioned.

and i have mark singing part of "enter sandman" and he's not bad, but there are times where his voice just doesn't cut it...mark knows that, and that's the reason he said he didn't want to sing for alter bridge.

[Justify]

My post was only based off of his live performance of MOP so I wasn't really saying he would be better than Myles. I really would just like to hear him sing some of his songs. Hey Creed7352, I'd like to get a copy of that "enter sandman" you have.

[altered]

NO!!!!!!!!! I want Myles singing (and writing the lyrics as well) !!!! ;)
Cool! Because thats what your going to get!:) :)

[GregS]

marcos, i believe he justify was talking about downshifter, not that "supergroup collaboration" you've mentioned.

and i have mark singing part of "enter sandman" and he's not bad, but there are times where his voice just doesn't cut it...mark knows that, and that's the reason he said he didn't want to sing for alter bridge.

Ya i used 2 have that Enter Sandman aswell.

[Agent D]

I gotta ask, why are so many people down on Mark's lyrics?

[titan9]

I guess some of us are just really, really picky when it comes to lyrics(Uncertain and I, in particular) and just think that Mark's lyrics are a bit, well, generic. I'm not saying he's incapable of writing good lyrics, I'm just saying that I don't think he's that great of a lyricist(but he has written some really good lyrics in the past), which is why I'd prefer Myles to do the bulk of the lyrics on the next album.

[Ana4Stapp]

I guess some of us are just really, really picky when it comes to lyrics(Uncertain and I, in particular) and just think that Mark's lyrics are a bit, well, generic. I'm not saying he's incapable of writing good lyrics, I'm just saying that I don't think he's that great of a lyricist(but he has written some really good lyrics in the past), which is why I'd prefer Myles to do the bulk of the lyrics on the next album.

Me too! ;)

[TeriB19]

When it comes to being a lead singer, Mark is an excellent guitarist!!! I like him just fine where he is.

[Agent D]

I guess some of us are just really, really picky when it comes to lyrics(Uncertain and I, in particular) and just think that Mark's lyrics are a bit, well, generic. I'm not saying he's incapable of writing good lyrics, I'm just saying that I don't think he's that great of a lyricist(but he has written some really good lyrics in the past), which is why I'd prefer Myles to do the bulk of the lyrics on the next album.

I'm not familiar with Myles's lyrics so maybe I just don't know the difference. But I really love the lyrics on One Day Remains. Maybe I'm easily pleased.

[GregS]

ye i think the lyrics on one day remains are great.

[Ana4Stapp]

I'm not familiar with Myles's lyrics so maybe I just don't know the difference. But I really love the lyrics on One Day Remains. Maybe I'm easily pleased.

Honestly you should try to listen to Mayfield Four songs --the lyrics ... are amazing.. ;)

[titan9]

^Exactly, Ana. I own both MF4 albums and I think they are both great lyrically, vocally and maybe even musically(Myles really IS a good guitarist). The lyrics aren't quite as good as the lyrics from the first two Creed CDs, but, they're still pretty awesome and a whole lot better than the ODR lyrics(imo).

[Agent D]

I'll have to give the M4 albums a look then.

[Creed7352]

well mark wrote the lyrics for ODR to be more generic...he's said that in interviews in the beginning. he wanted to write lyrics that everyone could relate to in some way or another.

gregs, you don't have this enter sandman i have unless you got it from the link i put up on abb.net a few days ago. you probably had/have that video of it from italy...mine is from 4/15/05 mcallen, texas.

[uncertaindrumer]

^Exactly, Ana. I own both MF4 albums and I think they are both great lyrically, vocally and maybe even musically(Myles really IS a good guitarist). The lyrics aren't quite as good as the lyrics from the first two Creed CDs, but, they're still pretty awesome and a whole lot better than the ODR lyrics(imo).

Picky? You like the second creed album and you call yourself PICKY?! Shame on you. ;)

To Myles: please write. Please please please.

[Chase]

No. Mark cannot be a lead singer. He had pretty decent back-up vocals, that doesn't make him a good singer. He knows it. We all know it. That's why he got the best singer in the business to sing for him.

Wow... Chris Cornell is the lead singer for Alter Bridge... this is news to me.

[RoffeDH]

Well, Cornell is alsow the best, since he's lost some of his vocalrange he can't be considered THE best... But Myles gott his range, Cornell and Myles are a tight match... Plus... Myles was the best avaleble. And he's a hell of a nice person!

[uncertaindrumer]

Wow... Chris Cornell is the lead singer for Alter Bridge... this is news to me.

Well... okay Cornell is REALLY REALLY good and I think if you go back a few years he was the best. But he is older than Myles and Myles has a better voice at the moment. It is REALLY close though... Chris puts much more passion into his singing, also. But speaking technically, I think Myles has the edge. I do actually like Chris Cornell more, though.

[RoffeDH]

Cornell has a great voice and I like them both, but for different resons...

[Ana4Stapp]

I love them both...but I like Chris Cornell more. He sings with more 'passion'. ;)

[GregS]

well mark wrote the lyrics for ODR to be more generic...he's said that in interviews in the beginning. he wanted to write lyrics that everyone could relate to in some way or another.

gregs, you don't have this enter sandman i have unless you got it from the link i put up on abb.net a few days ago. you probably had/have that video of it from italy...mine is from 4/15/05 mcallen, texas.

Ah rite..yeah i have the one from italy lol.

[Robin101]

Yeah...I'm a fan of CC's, too. Myles - technically the best in the biz. I think Myles will sing with more passion when he writes some of the material for the new AB album - lyrics he can relate to.

While we're on this kinda subject...

Here's a link to a PBF album review for Weathered. Two comments to take note of:

http://www.passionbreedsfollowers.com/media/print/areviews/cougar2.shtml

1. (para 6) And there's no denying he's (Stapp) been blessed with rock's best voice since Soundgarden's Chris Cornell.

2. (para 11) Unlike Cornell, Stapp developed the early ability to keep the vocal histrionics to a minimum.

If you had a choice of the three, who would you choose to be your lead vocalist - Kennedy, Cornell or Stapp?

[GregS]

Myles obviously.

[RoffeDH]

Who... Myles... Or, Cornell, as said before it's a close call... But I think Myles... Stapp's in the bottom on my list actually...

[Agent D]

Hmm...I'd have to pick Myles, but Chris is virtually the same for me. And Stapp is behind them, although I still enjoy his voice.

[uncertaindrumer]

Wow, between Myles, Chris and Scott, I'd take Chris first, Myles second, and Ashlee Simpson third.





















Of course, that is negating age. If I had to pick one for the next ten years I'd probably go Myles first since Chris seems to be tailing off a bit.

[Robin101]

Wow, between Myles, Chris and Scott, I'd take Chris first, Myles second, and Ashlee Simpson third.

Ah..you shut up Uncertain!!:mad1: :D

[Bridge of Clay]

I think I'd still go with Stapp's voice as long as he kept it trained. On the other hand, Myles is more versatile and he's working on his lower tones, which might come to be interesting on the next album.

Bottom line is I wish I had Stapp's voice and I wish I could sing like Myles, that'd be perfect! LOL!

[Bridge of Clay]

Cornell isn't as good as he used to be. Take the Audioslave live in Cuba DVD, for example. I don't know if he was sick or not that day, but it's clear he's not on the top of his game.

[Unforgiven Fan]

Chris's voice is not that great these days compared to the soundgarden days or even his solo days...Myles is better than the three...then I choose mark's singing...stapp is somewhere way down on the list of vocalists,

[titan9]

If I could have any of them in their prime.....I'd probably go with Cornell. He was absolutely amazing during the early/mid-90s. Not only did he have great range, but he had so much passion(and he still does).

Next, I'd choose Stapp. He was great, imo, during the late 90s(MOP/HC tours). Not only was he at his prime vocally, but he also was very charismatic(and still is) and energetic on stage. Not to mention his ability as a lyricist during that time.

Finally, I'd go with Myles. He's got a great voice and wrote some very good lyrics for MF4, but he's not that charismatic on stage(imo). Not quite as good of a performer on stage as Stapp and there's not quite as much passion behind the vocals like Cornell has. So that's why he'd be third on my list.

Now, if I had to go with how each is currently, I'd probably go with Stapp, then Myles and then Cornell. I've seen some live bootlegs from Stapp's solo tour and he sounds pretty good and seems to still have that stage presence he had during the MOP/HC tour. Myles still has great range, but I still don't think he's as good of a performer on stage as Stapp is. And Cornell's vocals, unfortunately, have deteriorated. I still like him a lot, but he's definitely not at his prime anymore. So that's why he'd be third on my list.

[uncertaindrumer]

:eek:

Titan, you have officially been crossed off my INTELLIGENT PEOPLE LIST!!!!!!!

lol, jk... sorta...

[titan9]

Oh no! I've been crossed off of Uncertain's oh-so-exclusive list! Whatever shall I do?!? :laugh:

[RoffeDH]

I would crossed you out to... IF I had any list :P :D

Come on! Stapp #1!!!?

[uncertaindrumer]

What kind of crap IS that Titan? His voice is in his prime was nowhere near Chris or Myles at ANY point in their careers (not to mention there is nothing SPECIAL about his voice. it is totally generic), his lyrics suck terribly, i mean, what on Earth is there to like about Stapp's ability? Much less saying it's better than the two best singers in rock.

I always thought you were a bit strange about Stapp but now I know you are nuts!

[Agent D]

Oh, Uncertain. How I've missed you.

[titan9]

*Sigh* If I may confess, I was a bit out of my mind yesterday. :laugh:

Anyway, if I may explain somethings. To be honest, when posed the question of who I'd want as my frontman, I took more than just vocal ability into consideration. Yes, being able to hit some impressive notes is important, but so is stage presence as well as lyrical ability. I've watched a ton of Creed bootlegs and Alter Bridge bootlegs, and I just recently got ahold of some videos from Stapp's recent concerts. And I've seen some live Audioslave stuff as well.

Anyway, from my point of view, out of the three mentioned, Stapp had and still has(based on the recent videos) the best stage presence. He just has a lot of charisma up on stage and still seems to be able to hit some notes and sound decent. And while Myles is my favorite vocalist and I think he is truly an amazing singer, I hesitate in saying he is my favorite frontman because, really, he lacks the charisma on stage and the stage presence, imo. Cornell is still an amazing singer, but at this stage in his career, I wouldn't take him as my frontman. So I said Stapp for the following reasons: 1. he seems to be a natural frontman; he just has that awesome stage presence that many better vocalists don't have 2. he's very charismatic and 3. he is capable of writing really good lyrics(though he hasn't written anything great, in my book, since the MOP days). The fact is, if I'm forming a rock band, I want my frontman to be someone who is charismatic and can interact with the crowd. It doesn't mean squat if all he can do is hit high notes....he needs to be a complete frontman in that he can sing decently/good, write decent/good lyrics and have charisma and interact with the fans. Stapp has all of this in my book, hence why I picked him out of the three mentioned.

But to be honest, if I could have any frontman, I'd probably pick Bono above everyone else. :laugh:

[Agent D]

But to be honest, if I could have any frontman, I'd probably pick Bono above everyone else. :laugh:

Now you're off my list lol.

[uncertaindrumer]

I think you just continue to dig yourself a bigger hole, Titan...

[titan9]

Perhaps in your eyes I am. :laugh: But I guess I just appreciate the overall product more than just one aspect of it. Myles is a better SINGER than Stapp, there is no denying that. But, when I look at the two subjectively and judge their abilities as frontmen, I'd have to go with Stapp because of his overall ability. I know you disagree, being the anti-Stapp person that you are(:D) but, that's just my point of view.

[Ana4Stapp]

But to be honest, if I could have any frontman, I'd probably pick Bono above everyone else. :laugh:
;)

[altered]

Anybody putting a serious band together right now, would take Myles over Scott.He has an extreme amount of stage presence, you havnt been to a show if you think different, He would be alot easier to work with and gets a long with his band mates,he can write music and lyrics, he can give an added dimension with his guitar playing, he is not going to get in trouble and make an ass out of himself, he is a giving person and not selfish, he respects his fans and cares about them and oh yeah, he has an incredible voice.

[RoffeDH]

You took the words out of my mouth Altered! ;)

[uncertaindrumer]

Perhaps in your eyes I am. :laugh: But I guess I just appreciate the overall product more than just one aspect of it. Myles is a better SINGER than Stapp, there is no denying that. But, when I look at the two subjectively and judge their abilities as frontmen, I'd have to go with Stapp because of his overall ability. I know you disagree, being the anti-Stapp person that you are(:D) but, that's just my point of view.

Frontman? FRONTMAN!? Being a frontman also involves a certain measure of credibility. Something which Stapp has NONE of...

[uncertaindrumer]

You took the words out of my mouth Altered! ;)

And you took the words out of mine. :D

[Justify]

What kind of crap IS that Titan? His voice is in his prime was nowhere near Chris or Myles at ANY point in their careers (not to mention there is nothing SPECIAL about his voice. it is totally generic), his lyrics suck terribly, i mean, what on Earth is there to like about Stapp's ability? Much less saying it's better than the two best singers in rock.

I always thought you were a bit strange about Stapp but now I know you are nuts!


Stapp has a great voice. He and Myles are just 2 different singers. Myles has a high pitched voice and Stapps is a lot lower. You can't compare the 2 because they have 2 different styles. Just admit what you really mean by this post. You hate Stapp. Thats it. I wonder why you even liked Creed to begin with if Stapp has such a terrible voice and his lyrics suck? The lyrics on his new album are not as good as they were with Creed but I think they will improve on his next album. The new album is great though. Every song on it is great. AB's lyrics weren't as good as they were in Creed either. AB's lyrics aren't as good as Stapp's new album either. I like both bands. Alter Bridge has great guitar solos. Myles voice is ok but personally I like Stapp's voice better. But I know that I really can't compare the 2. Its just going to be a personal preference thing.

[Justify]

Anybody putting a serious band together right now, would take Myles over Scott.He has an extreme amount of stage presence, you havnt been to a show if you think different, He would be alot easier to work with and gets a long with his band mates,he can write music and lyrics, he can give an added dimension with his guitar playing, he is not going to get in trouble and make an ass out of himself, he is a giving person and not selfish, he respects his fans and cares about them and oh yeah, he has an incredible voice.


I haven't been to an AB concert so I can't speak for Myles. (I would love to go and hope they come around my area again) My guess is that he does have a great stage presence. Scott has an extraordinary stage presence though. Anybody who has ever been to a Creed concert knows that. And anybody who has been to one of his new concerts certainly knows it. Stapp is more involved with the fans at the concerts now and you can tell he puts everythings he's got into it. Scott is better off now with his Solo career and Mark, Flip and Brian are better off with AB. All are happy now because they are with people they can get along with.

[RoffeDH]

yes you can compare the two of them, you just have to see who can hit the tones right 100% of the time (that has nothing to do with what kind of voice you have!) and Myles does that. Who can sing in different tones like barriton and soprano and stuff like that... Myles can, Stapp can't...

Who's the better musician? Myles, he can also shread on the guitar, Stapp can't take any thing on the guitar!

[Justify]

yes you can compare the two of them, you just have to see who can hit the tones right 100% of the time (that has nothing to do with what kind of voice you have!) and Myles does that. Who can sing in different tones like barriton and soprano and stuff like that... Myles can, Stapp can't...

Who's the better musician? Myles, he can also shread on the guitar, Stapp can't take any thing on the guitar!

The fact that Myles can play the guitar has nothing to do with his voice. We're not talking about who can play guitar here. We all know who the star guitarist of AB is anyway. If you want to compare who can play the guitar best then try comparing him to Mark.

What we were talking about was Stapp vs. Myles. (really we were talking about Mark's singing but somehow we got off topic) You can hit all the notes you want to but that doesn't make you a good singer.

It all boils down to whose voice you like better. Everyone has their own opinion. Creed sold millions of records because of Scotts voice and Marks ability on the guitar. Scott has proven himself to be a great singer. We have yet to see what Myles can do for AB's album sales. I'm ready to see how AB will sound after Myles writes his own lyrics. Don't get me wrong I like AB. I guess we need to face the fact that we will never convince each other that our personal opinion is right.

[J-Man]

Each to their own. Everyone has their preferences, mine is Myles. He does have a great range in his voice and he can pretty much sing anything. Case in point, they take requests from the audience and he delivers. I can't say the same for Stapp. I've seen AB in concert and Myles has great stage presence, he just has his own style. To me he's a mix between Steve Tyler and Mick Jagger whom are extraordinary. What else is cool is that you can tell everyone is having fun on stage and that they love what they do and therefore we as an audience are also having fun. And yes AB does interact w/ their audience (high fives, nods, the rock sign w/ the hand, and tossing souvenirs at the end of every show). They all share the spotlight and acknowledge one another on stage. With Stapp's new band from what I understand the spotlight is on the "King" himself. To me, Stapp is about himself and AB is about the music and their audience.

I have not seen Stapp's solo career (don't plan on it), as far as stage presence the last I remember is him deciding to take a nap on stage at the Chicago show.

Another thing I want to point out is that Stapp rides on the coat-tails of the name Creed as where AB does not. Stapp needs the old name probably because he doesn't have enough confidence to draw in an audience on his name alone.

And lastly, just for the record, since Stapp wants to take credit for Creed's sound, why hasn't anyone who interviewed him put him to the test? Seriously, if he's going to go around saying he had something to do with the melodies, then by all means show us.

[Justify]

Each to their own. Everyone has their preferences, mine is Myles. He does have a great range in his voice and he can pretty much sing anything. Case in point, they take requests from the audience and he delivers. I can't say the same for Stapp. I've seen AB in concert and Myles has great stage presence, he just has his own style. To me he's a mix between Steve Tyler and Mick Jagger whom are extraordinary. What else is cool is that you can tell everyone is having fun on stage and that they love what they do and therefore we as an audience are also having fun. And yes AB does interact w/ their audience (high fives, nods, the rock sign w/ the hand, and tossing souvenirs at the end of every show). They all share the spotlight and acknowledge one another on stage. With Stapp's new band from what I understand the spotlight is on the "King" himself. To me, Stapp is about himself and AB is about the music and their audience.

I have not seen Stapp's solo career (don't plan on it), as far as stage presence the last I remember is him deciding to take a nap on stage at the Chicago show.

Another thing I want to point out is that Stapp rides on the coat-tails of the name Creed as where AB does not. Stapp needs the old name probably because he doesn't have enough confidence to draw an audience on his name alone.

And lastly, just for the record since Stapp wants to take credit for Creed's sound, why hasn't anyone who interviewed him put him to the test? Seriously, if he's going to go around saying he had something to do with the melodies, then by all means show us.


When I started reading your post I thought for once maybe you would explain something without having to bash Stapp. I was wrong. That is the only way you can defend your opinions. Scott Stapp helped to develop Creed's sound. I know that bothers you but it is true. That is his sound. Just as the Mark helped to develop it and a lot of AB's music sounds like Creed.
Also what do you mean by put him to the test? Does anyone deny that Stapp wrote most of the lyrics for Creed's songs? How will they "test" him? He has proven he can write the music as well in his new album. You may not like the new album but it has had a lot of good reviews. Personally I think the music has a great sound.

As for him laying down on stage. I don't know or care why that really happened. I have heard several opinions on that. It happened years ago. What I know is that the Creed concert that I attended was awesome. I also know that his knew tour is great. He does have a great stage presence like it or not. The guys from Gone Blind get to show off their skills. The concert ends with the spotlight on the bass player. So how do you explain your opionion about him not giving credit where credit is due. If you don't like Scott then that is really not a problem. No one has to like the same musicians but don't speak on things that you have no idea about.
Also AB is riding on the coat tales of Creed. Like it or not. I purchased their CD because the majority of the band was Creed. I think a lot of people did it for that reason. Same thing for Scott Stapp. Most people probably purchased his CD because he was the lead singer of Creed. The true test will be their next albums. I don't think either will be able to "ride on the coat-tails of creed" then.

Again, we're all going to have our own opinions and we are obviously not going to change each others mind. I would just once like to see some of you explain why you don't like Stapp MUSICALLY without bashing him personally.


Also, again, I don't know how this thread became a Myles vs. Stapp thread when I originally opened it to brag about Marks singing ability in MOP. I think it really eats at a lot of you that some people actually still like to hear Stapp sing.

[J-Man]

Justify, I have my opinion as well as you do. I'd like to clarify a few things as I can tell there is some confusion. Stapp had mentioned in interviews that he's responsible for the 'melodies'. I know he wrote many of the lyrics, I'm not knocking that, but he is not responsible for the melodies. That is what I meant by putting him to the test. Let him come up w/ a melody.

Laying on stage did happen years ago and the Creed concert where you enjoyed his performance was also done years ago and it happened before "nap time" in Chicago, which I believe was the end of Creed.

Stapp rides on the coat tails of Creed because he uses the Creed name to promote himself. AB doesn't. It is true that members from Creed are on AB, but they do not use the name Creed to promote themselves. They started out fresh. If people purchased the cd's because they were once Creed, only Creed fans would know that, otherwise if you were not a fan how else would you know? As for Stapp, one would know because it's plastered on his CD's, interviews, and concerts.

[Justify]

Justify, I have my opinion as well as you do. I'd like to clarify a few things as I can tell there is some confusion. Stapp had mentioned in interviews that he's responsible for the 'melodies'. I know he wrote many of the lyrics, I'm not knocking that, but he is not responsible for the melodies. That is what I meant by putting him to the test. Let him come up w/ a melody.

Laying on stage did happen years ago and the Creed concert where you enjoyed his performance was also done years ago and it happened before "nap time" in Chicago, which I believe was the end of Creed.

Stapp rides on the coat tails of Creed because he uses the Creed name to promote himself. AB doesn't. It is true that members from Creed are on AB, but they do not use the name Creed to promote themselves. They started out fresh. If people purchased the cd's because they were once Creed, only Creed fans would know that, otherwise if you were not a fan how else would you know? As for Stapp, one would know because it's plastered on his CD's, interviews, and concerts.


I'm certain that Stapp was responsible for some of the melodies just as Mark was responsible for some of the lyrics.

As for actually mentioning the name Creed in promoting his new album I have to say I would do the same thing. Creed was big. He would be crazy not to at least let people know that he was the voice of Creed.

I think that a majority of the sales for both albums have been from Creed fans. If you read the reviews on Amazon for both groups you can see that most everyone compare them to Creed. So they are both definitely still riding on the boost from Creed. You have to agree that both Scott and AB's next albums will be the true test. Everyone knows their new sounds now and will know whether they like it enough to support them on their next album.

Both need that boost from Creed because Wind-Up does a horrible job of promoting them. I haven't heard either band played much around here and that sucks. J-Man, we'll have to agree to disagree because this is getting nowhere.

[J-Man]

I agree to disagree. :) Have a good day Justify.

[titan9]

What I find funny, Uncertain, is that Marcos says this:

I think I'd still go with Stapp's voice as long as he kept it trained. On the other hand, Myles is more versatile and he's working on his lower tones, which might come to be interesting on the next album.

Bottom line is I wish I had Stapp's voice and I wish I could sing like Myles, that'd be perfect! LOL!

And then I say this:

If I could have any of them in their prime.....I'd probably go with Cornell. He was absolutely amazing during the early/mid-90s. Not only did he have great range, but he had so much passion(and he still does).

Next, I'd choose Stapp. He was great, imo, during the late 90s(MOP/HC tours). Not only was he at his prime vocally, but he also was very charismatic(and still is) and energetic on stage. Not to mention his ability as a lyricist during that time.

Finally, I'd go with Myles. He's got a great voice and wrote some very good lyrics for MF4, but he's not that charismatic on stage(imo). Not quite as good of a performer on stage as Stapp and there's not quite as much passion behind the vocals like Cornell has. So that's why he'd be third on my list.

Now, if I had to go with how each is currently, I'd probably go with Stapp, then Myles and then Cornell. I've seen some live bootlegs from Stapp's solo tour and he sounds pretty good and seems to still have that stage presence he had during the MOP/HC tour. Myles still has great range, but I still don't think he's as good of a performer on stage as Stapp is. And Cornell's vocals, unfortunately, have deteriorated. I still like him a lot, but he's definitely not at his prime anymore. So that's why he'd be third on my list.

And this:

Anyway, from my point of view, out of the three mentioned, Stapp had and still has(based on the recent videos) the best stage presence. He just has a lot of charisma up on stage and still seems to be able to hit some notes and sound decent. And while Myles is my favorite vocalist and I think he is truly an amazing singer, I hesitate in saying he is my favorite frontman because, really, he lacks the charisma on stage and the stage presence, imo. Cornell is still an amazing singer, but at this stage in his career, I wouldn't take him as my frontman.

And yet I'm the one crossed off your intelligent people list! :laugh: j/k

[uncertaindrumer]

I missed that from Marcos. Consider him officially crossed off.

My list grows thin.

[altered]

I just want to say I am not here to bash Stapp, but when people want to compare, wich they always seem to do,deal with it, state your opinion and then deal with that.Who ever brought up the point that when people request songs... Zepplin, Ac-Dc, Deep Purple etc. and Myles can sing them.. has very good point.

[adparaiki]

Each to their own. Everyone has their preferences, mine is Myles. He does have a great range in his voice and he can pretty much sing anything. Case in point, they take requests from the audience and he delivers. I can't say the same for Stapp. I've seen AB in concert and Myles has great stage presence, he just has his own style. To me he's a mix between Steve Tyler and Mick Jagger whom are extraordinary. What else is cool is that you can tell everyone is having fun on stage and that they love what they do and therefore we as an audience are also having fun. And yes AB does interact w/ their audience (high fives, nods, the rock sign w/ the hand, and tossing souvenirs at the end of every show). They all share the spotlight and acknowledge one another on stage. With Stapp's new band from what I understand the spotlight is on the "King" himself. To me, Stapp is about himself and AB is about the music and their audience.

I have not seen Stapp's solo career (don't plan on it), as far as stage presence the last I remember is him deciding to take a nap on stage at the Chicago show.

Another thing I want to point out is that Stapp rides on the coat-tails of the name Creed as where AB does not. Stapp needs the old name probably because he doesn't have enough confidence to draw in an audience on his name alone.

And lastly, just for the record, since Stapp wants to take credit for Creed's sound, why hasn't anyone who interviewed him put him to the test? Seriously, if he's going to go around saying he had something to do with the melodies, then by all means show us.


LOL YOU DO MAKE ME LAUGH MATE. get real! Mark rides the Creed train just as much as stapp ok. who wouldn't. on every AB album it said in big bold letters (BIGGER THAN ON STAPP'S album) CREED'S MARK TREMONTI, SCOTT PHILLIPS AND BRIAN MARSHALL REAMERGE AS ALTER BRIDGE WITH NEW SIGNER MYLES KENNDY. ok only half of stapp's album said the voice of creed which was a smaller size ne way ok.

I have seen AB live don't get me wrong I really like AB and Stapp but the effects on myles mike are just too much. I think I could have sang those songs with those effects on and that's why his voice gets anoying very quickly live. He also CAN NOT hit all of the notes live and he sounds so different compared to the CD which by the way has been edited with effects aswell.

Stapp usually has very little effects on his mike and sounds more like the cd ok.

so I prefer stapp and now he is the better vocalist.
also have you ever heard someone say at time myles sounds like a dying animal well I agree sometimes he does and the whole thing about it being a band showing off is crap it seems realy stupid oh this is how fast I can play the guitar and oh myles can play guitar, and philips can play the drums well oh everyone has a solo WOW wa we wa.

[Bridge of Clay]

heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!

Titan, since when do you point fingers? lol! j/k

anyway, let's take Brett Hestla for example: he's a baritone like Stapp, but he can hit tenor notes, though not as good as Myles, he's one hell of a singer.

What I meant is I like Stapp's tone (his HC tone) better. Stapp could be in the Top 3 singers of modern rock if had the same range and control as Myles.

I never said Stapp is better though, which he's obviously not. Among the 3 you said, Myles is 1st and Cornell 2nd, if we consider his current shape.

You say rock singers are tenors, but I beg to differ. I don't think it's a rule. There are many rock singers who aren't tenors and they blow a lot of them out of the water.

[eusebioCBR]

At the time of the release of ODR Alter Bridge(Mark) didn't want that sticker on their cd. It was a Wind Up decision.
I've seen AB live and I didn't hear any vocal problems with Myles. If anything, my expectations were surpassed.:D

[Justify]

Mark rides the Creed train just as much as stapp ok. who wouldn't. on every AB album it said in big bold letters (BIGGER THAN ON STAPP'S album) CREED'S MARK TREMONTI, SCOTT PHILLIPS AND BRIAN MARSHALL REAMERGE AS ALTER BRIDGE WITH NEW SIGNER MYLES KENNDY.


I think that is a good point. I think both Scott and Mark would be crazy if they didn't advertise that they are from Creed. This gets people to notice them that may not have noticed them to begin with. Those of us who were huge Creed fans know all their names and also know that they have started their own post Creed projects. People who don't follow it wouldn't know. People who didn't follow Creed closely may not know that Scott was the lead singer for Creed or Mark Tremonti was the guitarist or that the guys from Creed formed a new band named AB. I don't see anything wrong with it. Creed was huge and everyone knows that name. Theres nothing wrong with trying to attract attention to your new band or solo project by saying "hey I was with Creed". Surely everyone can agree on that.

[titan9]

heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!

Titan, since when do you point fingers? lol! j/k



Hey, when I'm being taken down by Uncertain, I like to take someone down with me if possible. :laugh:

What I meant is I like Stapp's tone (his HC tone) better. Stapp could be in the Top 3 singers of modern rock if had the same range and control as Myles.

I never said Stapp is better though, which he's obviously not. Among the 3 you said, Myles is 1st and Cornell 2nd, if we consider his current shape.

You say rock singers are tenors, but I beg to differ. I don't think it's a rule. There are many rock singers who aren't tenors and they blow a lot of them out of the water.

Amen, bro. That's pretty much what I meant. There is no denying that Myles and Cornell are better singers technically because of their range. Stapp doesn't have that huge range. But he has a certain smoothness(or tone, if you will) to his vocals that I like. What he lacks in range, as far as I'm concerned, he makes up for in passion and smoothness. He might not be able to hit high notes, but when he sticks to a key with which he is comfortable(and good at) he sounds really good, imo. Maybe not to you, Uncertain, but to people who actually appreciate baritones even when they can't hit huge notes, Stapp sounds pretty good(or at least the MOP/HC era Stapp did...but even his new stuff on tour is good).

Good point about Hestla, Marcos. He is one helluva singer.

[Finaldecision]

Stapps' style of singing is different from the style of Myles. I think Myles has more range, this is true. Myles streaches his voice more with very high notes, but Stapp stretches his voice more with a kind of screaming (What If, Freedom Fighter, Reach Out; I think you know what I mean). It's a taste question which voice you like more, because they both have voices, that can easily be recongnized, but if anyone says that Stapp has nothing special with his voice, that I just can't agree!
To speak about the liveperformances. It's true that Stapp doesnt always reach every note that perfect or that he sings always perfect. Listen to live at Olympics Salt Lake City. I think there his voice is not very good. But it's different. When I listen to Torn live from Greatest Hits DVD, then I think it's just awesome!! Myles hits some very high and difficult notes live. Yeah, sometimes he gets little problems, but he sounds quite good yet.

[Agent D]

The difference between Stapp and Myles can be put very simply. Stapp has a 1990s grunge-style voice. Myles has a 1970s-style voice.

Now quit arguing.

[Justify]

The difference between Stapp and Myles can be put very simply. Stapp has a 1990s grunge-style voice. Myles has a 1970s-style voice.

Now quit arguing.

I'll agree with that.

[J-Man]

Adparaiki your post is quite laughable too and on many levels, but why go there? Anyhow, eusebioCBR said it best, it was wind-ups idea. The AB guys don't use the Creed name. Creed died and AB was born.

[RoffeDH]

I'll second J-man and Agent D on their last posts...

Someone said that Myles uses more effects on his mike... You must be kidding me... His voice doesn't sound that different from the CD, and neither does Stapp. And one thing I have to give Stapp is him not using sinback since he hits the wrong notes sometimes that gives him a bit of more credit on stage. Shure Myles might have hit the wrong note once or twice... But come on, not as often as Stapp.

The reson I took up the guitar playing was that it shows Myles is a better muscian. And NO! You can not compare Mark and Myles guitarplaying just as you can't compare Marks and Myles singing. Myles is formoste a singer and second a guitarplayer and vice versa for Mark. You have to compare other singers who plays or doesn't play guitar.

Should we stop it here? Looks like EVERY thread is turning into a Stapp vs. Myles...

[Justify]

This has really gotten to be a stupid discussion. Some people are going to like Stapp's voice better and some are going to like Myles' voice better. There will be no convincing those that prefer Stapp over Myles that Myles is better or vice versa. The freaking discussion has gotten nowhere. I haven't read one post where someone has actually had their mind changed. They both have centain types of music that thier voices sound better singing. Do you think Myles could sing a Creed song? Maybe so but it would suck because those songs were written for Stapps voice. I can't imagine Faceless Man being sung by Myles. He doesn't have the voice for it. They just have different voices. Here's what it boils down to. Those of you who think Myles has a better voice like AB over Scott Stapp and vice versa. So this basically comes down to another discussion of AB vs. Scott Stapp. And these discussions never get anywhere.

[RoffeDH]

Well, one desciussion about this actually got somewhere, people who liked Stapp admitted that Myles was the better singer, but they still like Stapp better, and that's okey... But I think we realy need to stop this hostility towards echother.

[Agent D]

Should we stop it here? Looks like EVERY thread is turning into a Stapp vs. Myles...

That's how things tend to go around here now.

[uncertaindrumer]

Hey, when I'm being taken down by Uncertain, I like to take someone down with me if possible. :laugh:

Hehehehe <---evil chuckle. lol



Amen, bro. That's pretty much what I meant. There is no denying that Myles and Cornell are better singers technically because of their range. Stapp doesn't have that huge range. But he has a certain smoothness(or tone, if you will) to his vocals that I like. What he lacks in range, as far as I'm concerned, he makes up for in passion and smoothness. He might not be able to hit high notes, but when he sticks to a key with which he is comfortable(and good at) he sounds really good, imo. Maybe not to you, Uncertain, but to people who actually appreciate baritones even when they can't hit huge notes, Stapp sounds pretty good(or at least the MOP/HC era Stapp did...but even his new stuff on tour is good).

Care to show me another "good" throaty grungy baritone rock singer? And if you say Eddie Vedder, you forfeit the argument.

And I appreciate baritones. I'm a baritone. Actually I am probably somewhere in between baritone and bass but closer to baritone definitely. Anyway, I just don't appreciate generic, non-unique radio rock singers who all sound alike, Stapp being include in that group.

[titan9]

Care to show me another "good" throaty grungy baritone rock singer? And if you say Eddie Vedder, you forfeit the argument.


Never in a million years would I say Vedder. Never been a big fan of his vocals myself(I can't understand much of what he sings, lol). As for "good" baritones, Paul McCoy(I know you are familiar with his work) of 12 Stones is decent. Not great, but decent. Uh, there's also Brent Smith of Shinedown. He's a baritone who is capable of hitting the high notes(kinda similiar to Brett Hestla, except, imo, better). I could name more obscure guys, but it'd be pointless because you probably wouldn't know who they are. :D

And I appreciate baritones. I'm a baritone. Actually I am probably somewhere in between baritone and bass but closer to baritone definitely. Anyway, I just don't appreciate generic, non-unique radio rock singers who all sound alike, Stapp being include in that group.

I'm a baritone myself.....and I think Stapp is a lot more unique than most of the rock radio singers today. Even if I weren't a Creed fan, after hearing 5 seconds of a Creed or Stapp song, I'd know who was singing it. However, if I heard a Nickelback or Staind or Hoobastank or *insert cruddy rock band here* song, I wouldn't know who the heck it was. Those singers aren't unique. Stapp, imo, is. The only guy you can even compare him to(and it's really a stupid comparison) is Eddie Vedder.

[RoffeDH]

Hmmm... Looks like we've gotten a bit more friendly... :P :D

[Agent D]

I'm a baritone myself.....and I think Stapp is a lot more unique than most of the rock radio singers today. Even if I weren't a Creed fan, after hearing 5 seconds of a Creed or Stapp song, I'd know who was singing it. However, if I heard a Nickelback or Staind or Hoobastank or *insert cruddy rock band here* song, I wouldn't know who the heck it was. Those singers aren't unique. Stapp, imo, is. The only guy you can even compare him to(and it's really a stupid comparison) is Eddie Vedder.

I agree with almost everything you said except about Staind. You seriously think Aaron Lewis doesn't have a distinctive voice? That's insane.

[Finaldecision]

Aaron Lewis has a great voice!!

I think also Chad Kroeger has a voice you can recognize. A voice that I think is ok, maybe good, but nothing incredible to me is the voice from Brad Arnold.

[titan9]

I agree with almost everything you said except about Staind. You seriously think Aaron Lewis doesn't have a distinctive voice? That's insane.

In my defense, I used those examples rather loosely. Looking back, I see I made a mistake in listing Lewis there. He does have distinctive voice(but I'm not a fan of his). Shaun Morgan(Seether) would probably be better served in Lewis' place on my list of non-distinctive, boring "rock" singers. Never have I heard such a blatant Kurt Cobain ripoff(and I'm not even a Nirvana fan!) :laugh:

[uncertaindrumer]

Never in a million years would I say Vedder. Never been a big fan of his vocals myself(I can't understand much of what he sings, lol). As for "good" baritones, Paul McCoy(I know you are familiar with his work) of 12 Stones is decent. Not great, but decent. Uh, there's also Brent Smith of Shinedown. He's a baritone who is capable of hitting the high notes(kinda similiar to Brett Hestla, except, imo, better). I could name more obscure guys, but it'd be pointless because you probably wouldn't know who they are. :D

Meh, I figured you would mention those guys. Nothing really particularly special about any of them.



I'm a baritone myself.....and I think Stapp is a lot more unique than most of the rock radio singers today. Even if I weren't a Creed fan, after hearing 5 seconds of a Creed or Stapp song, I'd know who was singing it. However, if I heard a Nickelback or Staind or Hoobastank or *insert cruddy rock band here* song, I wouldn't know who the heck it was. Those singers aren't unique. Stapp, imo, is. The only guy you can even compare him to(and it's really a stupid comparison) is Eddie Vedder.

I actually was listening to the radio the other day (shocking, I know) and a song came on and it sounded exactly like Stapp singing it and I was confused. I was like "Did I totally miss a song off his album?". Turns out the song was by 3 Doors Down. Stapp sounds like everyone else. Of course YOU can differentiate him... you listen to his songs all the time for a long time. I can pick him out. I have listened to his songs often. But he still sounds very generic.

[Finaldecision]

3DD singer has a different voice than Stapp. To me he sings worse than him.
Do you want to know what I think is special with Stapps voice?

Here are a few points:
- great type of barritone voice for me (listen to My Own Prison or One)
- very passionated voice (listen to Faceless Man) Couldn't imagine 3DD sing it that well
- He can also can kind of scream (What If, Reach Out, Freedom Fighter)

[titan9]

Meh, I figured you would mention those guys. Nothing really particularly special about any of them.

You asked for other "good" baritones, and so I named a couple that are fairly known. I could name some more that I think are good(like Matt Hammit of Sanctus Real, for instance) but you probably wouldn't know who they were. :D

I actually was listening to the radio the other day (shocking, I know) and a song came on and it sounded exactly like Stapp singing it and I was confused. I was like "Did I totally miss a song off his album?". Turns out the song was by 3 Doors Down. Stapp sounds like everyone else. Of course YOU can differentiate him... you listen to his songs all the time for a long time. I can pick him out. I have listened to his songs often. But he still sounds very generic.

One thing: you're absolutely CRAZY if you think Stapp sounds like Brad Arnold(that is his name, right?) I hear no vocal resemblence between those two, so I can't understand why you think Stapp and Arnold sound anything alike. Yes, I might give you the Vedder comparison, but no way will I give you that comparison.

BTW, I don't listen to Stapp all the time(I've been more into U2 and a bunch of other artists lately) and I've only been a Creed fan for 3-4 years. But when I hear just one or two seconds of him singing, I know exactly who it is. Even my niece and nephew do(and I have put them to the test on that.....and they only know one or two Creed songs). I still think Stapp has a fairly unique voice.

[Robin101]

(evil laugh) look's like I nearly started a riot on here.

I have to agree with Titan. If I were to start a band I'd choose Stapp.

Great baritone, great charisma, great lyricist and as a secure heterosexual male I can say a great looking bloke. In short - a great frontman.

http://www.passionbreedsfollowers.com/media/print/areviews/ilentertainer.shtml

A great review! Quite a few on there at the moment.

I have always said that Myles is the best technically in the business and I respect Cornell, but Stapp's voice just pulls me in everytime.

[Ana4Stapp]

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I actually was listening to the radio the other day (shocking, I know) and a song came on and it sounded exactly like Stapp singing it and I was confused. I was like "Did I totally miss a song off his album?". Turns out the song was by 3 Doors Down. Stapp sounds like everyone else. Of course YOU can differentiate him... you listen to his songs all the time for a long time. I can pick him out. I have listened to his songs often. But he still sounds very generic.

:rolleyes:

WOW!!!!
lol

[Finaldecision]

Hey Titan! Great post. Agree with that!! :)

[uncertaindrumer]

You asked for other "good" baritones, and so I named a couple that are fairly known. I could name some more that I think are good(like Matt Hammit of Sanctus Real, for instance) but you probably wouldn't know who they were. :D

Meh, true. If I am going to go into the land of the unknown bands I try to find unique ones, not just more modern rock. :D



One thing: you're absolutely CRAZY if you think Stapp sounds like Brad Arnold(that is his name, right?)

I am crazy, actually. But also, you are right, normally they don't sound *too* alike. But on this one song he sounded just like Stapp for quite a bit of time, just showing to me that sounding like Stapp isn't hard a all.

BTW, I don't listen to Stapp all the time(I've been more into U2 and a bunch of other artists lately) and I've only been a Creed fan for 3-4 years. But when I hear just one or two seconds of him singing, I know exactly who it is. Even my niece and nephew do(and I have put them to the test on that.....and they only know one or two Creed songs). I still think Stapp has a fairly unique voice.

Well I don't quite get it. I mean, even if I were co concede that Stapp has a kind of unique voice (which I don't think he does), it would be in the sense that no one sings EXACTLY like him, but still, EVERYONE sings like he does. Deep throaty, grungy. As an example, Britney Spears, Jessica Simpson, etc. etc. all sound differnet, but they are all generic boring pop singers with nothing to really offer. Stapp doesn't sound exactly like everyone else but he sings the same exact way. Nothing interesting about him.

[uncertaindrumer]

:rolleyes:

WOW!!!!
lol

?? I came by Alter Bridge because I listened to Creed. This shouldn't be s surprise... even if it is the source of my everlasting shame... heh.

[Finaldecision]

I am crazy, actually. But also, you are right, normally they don't sound *too* alike. But on this one song he sounded just like Stapp for quite a bit of time, just showing to me that sounding like Stapp isn't hard a all.

Well, maybe some people might be able to sing very similiar to him, but it's not only about good techniques: I mean is it difficult to play a usual blues on your bassguitar? Not really. Most bassplayer with a little experience could play easy bluesriffs. Bluesriffs sound good nevertheless. So it's not the technique and difficulty to play simple bluesriffs, it's the idea behind them and how they sound which makes them great. So it might be that some songs Stapp sings are not too hard (which I think is absolutely not true about every song). So if some people are able to sing very similiar to him they might do a good job with doing this. But then they were not the ones who had the idea behind this way of singing.